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Osem	05-09-2017 11:18

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A woman has been charged with making fraudulent claims for support provided to the survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire.
Joyce Msokeri, 46, of Ambleside Gardens, Sutton, south London, is charged with six counts of fraud.
The high-rise fire claimed at least 80 lives in June.
Ms Msokeri, who was arrested on 25 July, is due to appear in custody at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Tuesday afternoon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41161123

Nice. :mad:

Paul	05-09-2017 12:55

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Hardy unexpected with such ridiculous amounts of money now involved.

Osem	05-09-2017 15:56

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35915346)

Hardy unexpected with such ridiculous amounts of money now involved.

Nope and that'll be another reason why, in determining who gets what, the authorities have to be very diligent. If they get it wrong all the usual accusations will start being flung around by people who ought to know better.

RichardCoulter

05-09-2017 16:22

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BBC News says that 20 survivors have tried to commit suicide.

Hugh	05-09-2017 16:40

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35915380)

BBC News says that 20 survivors have tried to commit suicide.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41148877

Osem	05-09-2017 18:29

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Anyone who's lost loved ones and been traumatised in a tragedy like this is likely to suffer such feelings (and others associated with PTSD) and will need a lot of help to overcome them and move on. The only way to start that process is to admit it and seek help but a lot of people find that very difficult indeed and the necessary resources are clearly going to be under great pressure given the likely numbers involved which will no doubt include a good number of emergency services personnel who were called into action that night and had to make the most awful decisions.

RichardCoulter

10-09-2017 23:39

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Indeed.

Apparently, in situations like this, survivors feel guilty that they somehow survived.

I think that i'd just be thankful and grateful, but until one is put in this position I don't suppose any of use truly know how we'd feel or react.

heero_yuy

12-09-2017 11:10

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Money has allegedly been stolen from a flat in Grenfell Tower since the devastating blaze which killed at least 80 people.

The cash is believed to have been swiped after June 20, with the theft being reported to cops on September 8.

Police refused to say how much money was reportedly taken.

A Met spokesman said: "An investigation into the alleged theft is now being carried out.

"Steps have been taken to review the security of all the flats within Grenfell Tower and some changes immediately put into place."

Source

There's some pretty low **** around, but the possibility of looting the undamaged flats should have been more seriously considered.

pip08456

12-09-2017 14:32

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35915401)

I agree with what you are saying but given the millions that have been raised for the survivors this should not be a problem. The money is there, it depends on how it is spent and who is in control of it.

Osem	12-09-2017 15:39

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35916180)

I agree with what you are saying but given the millions that have been raised for the survivors this should not be a problem. The money is there, it depends on how it is spent and who is in control of it.

If that money is going to be used for this purpose then obviously that makes things a lot easier but that's a big if.

pip08456

12-09-2017 21:13

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35916186)

If that money is going to be used for this purpose then obviously that makes things a lot easier but that's a big if.

Exactly but only time will tell. I wonder how much those in control will make out of it.

Osem	13-09-2017 15:14

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35916235)

Exactly but only time will tell. I wonder how much those in control will make out of it.

There'll be significant 'costs' involved in the administration of the funds you can be sure.

Julian

13-09-2017 18:24

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35916305)

There'll be significant 'costs' involved in the administration of the funds you can be sure.

Starting with those thieving leech shysters at justgiving and their 5% ripoff charge. :mad:

If they had an ounce of decency they would have a cap on any fees, not steal £50,000 out of every million.

I will NEVER donate money through them.

Osem	19-10-2017 14:22

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John Healey had an Urgent Question this morning demanding to know why the government hasn’t provided additional funds for fire safety post-Grenfell...:

... When the boot was on the other foot in 2009, the then Housing minister John Healey was asked the same question in the wake of the Lakanal House fire. Guess what. Healey said no to any additional funds for fire safety:

“The resources local authorities receive for management and maintenance and major repairs should enable them to implement necessary fire safety measures in council housing.”

https://order-order.com/2017/10/19/john-healey-now/

Some things never change.

Osem	02-11-2017 19:54

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A serial conman has admitted pretending his family died in the Grenfell Tower fire to obtain about £12,500 from funds meant for victims.
Anh Nhu Nguyen claimed his wife and son were killed in the blaze.
He posed as a victim of the disaster for almost two weeks and was given the money by charities and Kensington and Chelsea Council...

... Nguyen met the Prince of Wales at a relief centre set up in the wake of the disaster
Nguyen was born in Vietnam, and has been in the UK since the 1980s. He is a British citizen and has 17 aliases. He has 28 previous convictions for 56 offences spanning more than 30 years, including theft, arson and grievous bodily harm.
Kate Mulholland from the Crown Prosecution Service said: "Nguyen's deceit in the aftermath of such a catastrophic loss of life was breathtaking.
"He was willing to lie again and again, adapting his story when it was questioned, in order to profit from the huge aid efforts and outpouring of sympathy for true victims."
Elizabeth Campbell, leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council, said: "It is disgraceful.
"Fraud on any level directly and negatively impacts our efforts to give crucial help and support to the victims and survivors of the fire."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41844044

Sadly, I doubt his punishment will fit his crime.

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