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RizzyKing 25-01-2018 22:00
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
No overall it hasn't yes we have gained some fine doctors and nurses but we've also gained a lot of non english speaking elderly with complicated medical conditions. I base my view on my experiences in the Leicestershire area where I've seen doctors and nurses abused and intimidated on a daily basis, a budgetry strain of translators and translation services taking chunks of budget that could have been better used. Immigration is not great across the board in some cases it's beneficial but it is also detrimental in others but in the UK unless your spouting pro ethnic diversity and multiculturalism your shot down as being ignorant and racist.

This debate has to start and it needs to start soon or the future is going to be extremely unpleasant for everyone.

Mr K 25-01-2018 22:08
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35934013)
No overall it hasn't yes we have gained some fine doctors and nurses but we've also gained a lot of non english speaking elderly with complicated medical conditions. I base my view on my experiences in the Leicestershire area where I've seen doctors and nurses abused and intimidated on a daily basis, a budgetry strain of translators and translation services taking chunks of budget that could have been better used. Immigration is not great across the board in some cases it's beneficial but it is also detrimental in others but in the UK unless your spouting pro ethnic diversity and multiculturalism your shot down as being ignorant and racist.

This debate has to start and it needs to start soon or the future is going to be extremely unpleasant for everyone.
We're an ageing population, not enough young people. Nursing, we've decided to make a very unattractive career ( in our wisdom). We need immigrants and they may want to bring their family with them. You decide whether you want healthcare or not.

RizzyKing 25-01-2018 23:31
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Personally i want community cohesion and a healthcare system that isn't riddled with ineffective beaurocrats who generally do nothing more then squander vast sums of money. If the trade off is having one good immigrant doctor\nurse who brings with them two or three drains I'll do without thanks it's time the UK got back to self sufficiency.

Gavin78 26-01-2018 00:45
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
When I started working on my ward it was mostly run by English staff. Out of 60 staff at least 45 of them were English the rest made up of filipino nurses.

11 years later we are down to 55 staff with around 15 staff who are English the rest made up of filipino and EU nurses. Times are changing same with the patients majority were English now it's around 60% to foreign patients

Mr K 30-01-2018 11:32
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42871081

Quote:
Stephen Hawking to take Hunt to court over NHS

A group of campaigners, including Prof Stephen Hawking, has been given permission to challenge a government health policy in the High Court.

They will pursue a judicial review of plans to create accountable care organisations (ACOs) in England.

These are to act as partnership bodies incorporating hospitals, community services and councils.

Campaigners argue it amounts to a form of privatisation, but this is denied by Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt.
Nice one Prof. Hawking ! Go for it !

Mick 30-01-2018 12:15
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Taking Government Cabinet Members to Court, is unheard of and sets a dangerous precedent, it’s Parliament that should be getting top of Mr Hunt. But there is a weak opposition party in play here, not taking the government to task as it should.

1andrew1 30-01-2018 22:24
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Oh, thank goodness we have capped immigration. There will be no adverse effects on the NHS. And skilled doctors are not being deterred. Hmm.
Quote:
Home Office data show Britain reached the official limit in both December and January, contributing to the National Health Service’s difficulty in recruiting doctors from overseas. The NHS turned away at least 20 doctors from outside the EU during the period, according to NHS trusts and recruiters in England.
The spike in applicants for so-called Tier 2 visas — granted according to a points system that measures a worker’s qualifications — has forced up the threshold for acquiring the work permit. The minimum salary needed to qualify, which used to be £30,000, hit £55,000 in December and £50,000 in January.
The Home Office said the points system gives priority to people filling a number of skills shortages — including a range of medical specialities such as consultant-level applicants in clinical radiology and emergency medicine.
https://www.ft.com/content/f9cea29e-...0-9c0ad2d7c5b5

Damien 30-01-2018 22:31
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35934670)
Taking Government Cabinet Members to Court, is unheard of and sets a dangerous precedent, it’s Parliament that should be getting top of Mr Hunt. But there is a weak opposition party in play here, not taking the government to task as it should.
I believe he is taking the Government to court which wouldn't be unprecedented, indeed the Government isn't above the law either. Pretty important part of our constitution there. ;)

1andrew1 30-01-2018 22:41
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35934670)
Taking Government Cabinet Members to Court, is unheard of and sets a dangerous precedent, it’s Parliament that should be getting top of Mr Hunt. But there is a weak opposition party in play here, not taking the government to task as it should.
Taking the Government to court is precedented last time I checked. And the Government and opposition are both weak. In fact, a Government minister is likely to resign next month with daydreamer Liam Fox's name very much in the frame!

Mick 02-02-2018 14:11
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
It's no wonder the NHS is in 'crisis'...

LBC Talk show asks: The NHS has been charged £1500 for a £2 pot of moisturiser. Who is to blame here, the overcharging Pharmacy or the NHS for wasting such money?

Mr K 02-02-2018 14:16
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935196)
It's no wonder the NHS is in 'crisis'...

LBC Talk show asks: The NHS has been charged £1500 for a £2 pot of moisturiser. Who is to blame here, the overcharging Pharmacy or the NHS for wasting such money?
Well we've got the EU to thank for stopping a company ripping us of for cancer drugs.
https://www.ft.com/content/0765175e-...a-6027b8a20f23

We'll be easier meat for these companies once we've left the EU.

Damien 02-02-2018 14:34
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935196)
It's no wonder the NHS is in 'crisis'...

LBC Talk show asks: The NHS has been charged £1500 for a £2 pot of moisturiser. Who is to blame here, the overcharging Pharmacy or the NHS for wasting such money?
I read the article but it's not entirely clear what happened. The article items a bill was sent for that amount but it doesn't tell us the circumstances, what was ordered, what they actually paid and so on.

Quote:
The owner of the high street chemist Boots charged the NHS as much as £1,500 for single pots of moisturiser that others have sold for less than £2. Boots sent a £1,579 bill to the health service for one 500ml tub of a specially made cream for patients with skin problems in 2016, according to payment records seen by The Times.
and

Quote:
A spokeswoman told The Times the process of making specials ordered at short notice "incurs high overheads, reflected in the final cost, which is set in line with the sector to reflect the bespoke nature of the products.”

There might be more to it. It doesn't sound like they ordered a pot of nivea though.

denphone 07-03-2018 18:11
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds.

Quote:
Patients whose lives are at risk are being turned away from their local hospitals because of a lack of intensive care beds, doctors who work in those units have revealed.

Four in five intensive care units (ICUs) are having to send patients to other hospitals as a result of chronic bed and staff shortages.
Quote:
Six in 10 (62%) ICUs cannot function normally because they are so short of nurses, according to a survey of ICU consultants by the Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine (FICM), their professional body, which has shared its findings with the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...tage-hospitals

Gavin78 10-03-2018 22:00
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
who agrees with this?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...iday-in-return

NHS staff offered 6.5% pay rise over three years if they forfeit day's holiday

Mr K 10-03-2018 22:50
Re: Crisis in the NHS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35940236)
who agrees with this?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...iday-in-return

NHS staff offered 6.5% pay rise over three years if they forfeit day's holiday
Well inflation is 2.7%, over 3 years that's 8.1%. So it's potentially a pay cut and loss of a days holiday, doesn't seem like a great deal to me, particularly when they've already lost so much through the pay cap since 2010.


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