Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34280147)

The eye and the flagella are supposed to be evidence of items that are too complex to have arisen from evolution (by example, as not everything would be considered too complex). As it is, the evidence doesn't stand up, which is rather unfortunate for them as it leaves the theory unsubstantiated. If the evidence would stand up it would be problematic for the Evolution theory.

Obviously, there is no evidence that a creator exists, that is the implication/speculation. Also, I don't believe they say (out loud), that the creator is (the Christian) God.

Originally Posted by Action Jackson (Post 34280174)

Thing is, both the flagella and the eye have been shown to have design flaws(assuming for the moment that they were designed). The flagella has been shown to be a highly inefficient 'motor' and the eye(without recalling the exact biological/scientific details - maybe someone can remind me) is by no means perfect either.

So are we to expect that a being like god who defies the laws of physics and is perfect in every way, designed 2 items that are fundamentally flawed?

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34280180)

My point however, was that, when criticising it, please criticise it for the right reasons (as you did above). Not just for using examples as you appeared to do in your earlier post, as that, in itself, is a perfectly valid strategy.

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34279959)

Ever seen animals lie, libel, slander, devise pogroms, murder for recreation and peform crossword puzzles?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34280294)

Chimps have been known to kill for fun as have killer whales

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34280294)

Chimps have been known to kill for fun as have killer whales

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34279888)

yeah well I know plenty of atheists who are numbskulls

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34275725)

I think its finally time to start teaching that the Holocaust never happend in history class.

After all its an alternative point of view believed by many.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34312843)

And its happened as predicted way back in April, you see what i mean, you give in once and thats it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Hope your all happy. :tu:

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34312845)

Didn't we have a thread about that a month or so ago?
Consisted of the usual lot blaming muslims while more sensible people said if it was true it was the fault of teachers.
I'm pretty sure it related to coursework rather than discussions in lessons. Instead of the holocaust, other historical events were chosen.

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34336625)

Well, our government don't think creationism should be taught as a science. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/25/id_not_science/