Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919359)

ITV isn't worth 1p in it's current state, this will be interesting.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919360)

Utterly deluded IMO as l say take it off then and see how much it will backfire against them.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919357)

ITV to levy £140m+ on Virgin Media and Sky to air its main channel.

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/10/...s-main-channel

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35919365)

ITV are very deluded on a plus side a few less crappy soaps if taken off

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919336)

E4 on channel 106?.:shocked:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919357)

ITV to levy £140m+ on Virgin Media and Sky to air its main channel.

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/10/...s-main-channel

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35919365)

ITV are very deluded on a plus side a few less crappy soaps if taken off

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919374)

That would serve them right.

I wonder how they would deal with the 'due prominence' rules if the slot had been reallocated?

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35919381)

Simple answer from Virgin and Sky should be ok we'll pay the fee if you agree to give up your prominent position you occupy on our EPG.

Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35919385)

If no agreement can be reached, Virgin (and possibly Sky) would surely be within their rights to reallocate 103 - that's a big long term risk to ITV.

Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35919385)

If no agreement can be reached, Virgin (and possibly Sky) would surely be within their rights to reallocate 103 - that's a big long term risk to ITV.

Originally Posted by nodrogd (Post 35919391)

Thats just about all Sky can do as ITV is FTA on satellite, so its not as if Sky can get any income from forcing ITV onto a subs pack like VM can. Also where do BT TV & TalkTalk TV stand. They are hybrid services that piggyback on Freeview but ITV appears on their EPG like everyone else so why should they be treated differently to Sky.

Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35919385)

If no agreement can be reached, Virgin (and possibly Sky) would surely be within their rights to reallocate 103 - that's a big long term risk to ITV.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919409)

I'm no expert on the 'due prominence' rules, but if ITV was taken off the EPG, then realised their mistake and came back, I think ITV would be within their rights to insist on a prominent slot (not necessarily 103).

106 would have been ideal!

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919411)

It's difficult to predict how the DCMS would enforce it, it's their rule after all. With local tv the requirement was for the most prominent, unallocated, slot to be made available. Freeview has followed that up by promoting the channels to better slots as they become available. Apparently not the case for VM, as they appear to have allocated 106 to E4. I would have thought that, following due prominence rules, the 106 slot should have been offered to local tv stations and / or other BBC channels before E4. That said, allocating it to local tv, in its present state, would be crazy.

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919414)

I wonder if VM get around some of the ruling by being a closed platform?

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919420)

The whole point of due prominence is that it applies to all platforms. I suppose there is some scope for arguing that the PSBs already have due prominence. It's a difficult area.

Going back to the original consultation, ITV seem to want every option weighted in their favour. Even though the DCMS argued that zero net fees should be the outcome of the change to the copyright laws, ITV just ignores this and wants to impose a retransmission fee.

ITV appeared to be in favour of keeping the must carry regulations, whereby platform operators have to carry PSB channels. On the other hand ITV appeared to greater flexibility to the must offer regulations, effectively allowing it to withhold PSB channels.

The DCMS didn't consider the negotiating scenarios assumed by the PSBs to be realistic.. and yet, here we are...

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...eport___1_.pdf

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919421)

I think this will backfire on itv.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919411)

It's difficult to predict how the DCMS would enforce it, it's their rule after all. With local tv the requirement was for the most prominent, unallocated, slot to be made available. Freeview has followed that up by promoting the channels to better slots as they become available. Apparently not the case for VM, as they appear to have allocated 106 to E4. I would have thought that, following due prominence rules, the 106 slot should have been offered to local tv stations and / or other BBC channels before E4. That said, allocating it to local tv, in its present state, would be crazy.

Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35919385)

If no agreement can be reached, Virgin (and possibly Sky) would surely be within their rights to reallocate 103 - that's a big long term risk to ITV.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919411)

It's difficult to predict how the DCMS would enforce it, it's their rule after all. With local tv the requirement was for the most prominent, unallocated, slot to be made available. Freeview has followed that up by promoting the channels to better slots as they become available. Apparently not the case for VM, as they appear to have allocated 106 to E4. I would have thought that, following due prominence rules, the 106 slot should have been offered to local tv stations and / or other BBC channels before E4. That said, allocating it to local tv, in its present state, would be crazy.

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35919446)

I had always thought it was only the top five slots reserved on all platforms.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35919493)

Found a quote regarding vm's take on it. They arent going to pay itv anything lol

Tom Mockridge, chief executive of Virgin Media, said earlier this year: 'The Government has been clear, new fees should not be paid for mainstream channels. ITV is already fully compensated through its prominent position, audience reach and additional advertising revenue this delivers. It is carried for zero fee by all UK platforms and there is no reason why this shouldn't continue to be the case at Virgin Media.'

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35919493)

Found a quote regarding vm's take on it. They arent going to pay itv anything lol

Tom Mockridge, chief executive of Virgin Media, said earlier this year: 'The Government has been clear, new fees should not be paid for mainstream channels. ITV is already fully compensated through its prominent position, audience reach and additional advertising revenue this delivers. It is carried for zero fee by all UK platforms and there is no reason why this shouldn't continue to be the case at Virgin Media.'

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919505)

I hope Sky take the same stance too.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919541)

I wonder if Channel 4 will be allowed to move one of their other channels down to the old E4 slot.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919520)

SID 3904 - Sky Ocean Rescue HD has been parked on SID 3904 and removed from channel 244 on the EPG. The channel has also been parked in the double digit graveyard section of the EPG on channel 70, which is currently visible on the EPG, it shouldn't be.. presumably VM will hide this fairly quickly.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919520)

SID 3904 - Sky Ocean Rescue HD has been parked on SID 3904 and removed from channel 244 on the EPG.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919559)

Channel 70 was removed from view at 8.55am today (We was trying to put Magic Radio on at MB HQ)

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35919557)

No plans for GOLD HD on VM or BT

http://www.seenit.co.uk/uktv-have-no...edia-or-bt-tv/

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35919557)

No plans for GOLD HD on VM or BT

http://www.seenit.co.uk/uktv-have-no...edia-or-bt-tv/

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919567)

That seems sensible, they wouldn't want to announce its arrival on other platforms with no carriage deal in place. We've already had that situation with Freesports.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919548)

The Sky entertainment channels are getting a revamp. I suspect this doesn't go much beyond a different logo/ident, although some uninspiring new content is promised.

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/10/s...ls-get-on.html

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35919588)

Uninspiring to you maybe others will disagree , Strike Back and Bounty Hunters will be on my watch list.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35919588)

Uninspiring to you maybe others will disagree , Strike Back and Bounty Hunters will be on my watch list.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35919588)

Uninspiring to you maybe others will disagree , Strike Back and Bounty Hunters will be on my watch list.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919620)

Info right as of November 9th.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919620)

Here is some updated info we can reveal: RED mean information updated.

1) Virgin Media UK are in talks with an broadcaster.
2) New Channels may launch (Still not testing but Media Boy Sources say rumour as set to launch by 2019).
3) Virgin Media UK are testing something - hope to launch by 2018 (Our Sources feel it will definitely be in the next firmware drop. We have seen photos of it testing. ).
4) Rumours about more new channels (Got an broadcaster name confirmed).

Info right as of November 9th.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919621)

MB HQ clearly has a very powerful crystal ball. :D

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35919622)

Really!!! I think you are being fed duff info MB, I mean, come on, who cares about 2019, that's almost 2 years away!

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919621)

MB HQ clearly has a very powerful crystal ball. :D

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35919596)

I'll be watching Strike Back, It's been a brilliant series imo, not sure if OB meant that Strike Back was uninspiring MM, let's see what he says....;)

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919620)

Here is some updated info we can reveal: RED mean information updated.

1) Virgin Media UK are in talks with an broadcaster.
2) New Channels may launch (Still not testing but Media Boy Sources say rumour as set to launch by 2019).
3) Virgin Media UK are testing something - hope to launch by 2018 (Our Sources feel it will definitely be in the next firmware drop. We have seen photos of it testing. ).
4) Rumours about more new channels (Got an broadcaster name confirmed).

Info right as of October 9th.

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35919622)

Really!!! I think you are being fed duff info MB, I mean, come on, who cares about 2019, that's almost 2 years away!

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35919646)

I caught about 5 seconds of OFAH on GOLD last night and couldn't help but notice they are showing it with black boxes at the sides when did that start?

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35919650)

The old episodes should be shown in that format - later ones are full screen.

With some changes on satellite recently - it may be they are using the correct ratio switching.

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35919681)

You may have you tv settings wrong for the correct display - but Gold is now putting out better ratio signalling.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919630)

He borrowed it from his master.;):D

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919639)

Indeed, I loved Strike Back! It's programmes like this that encourage me to keep subscribing to the cable channels. My point was that programmes like these are all too few and far between.

I've never seen Bounty Hunters, though. I might give that a try... :scratch:

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Presumably, this is the Horizon software that we were expecting within a couple or so years of the V6 launching.

Hopefully, this will include new features such as voice activation and a more up to date looking UI.

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I presume you are applying the well known 'coming soon' principle in which VM say something is coming in 2018 but doesn't materialise until at least the following year, MM!

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919686)

Would that master be you Den? :p:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35919683)

Goodnight sweetheart is also the same obviously changes GOLD have made

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919694)

I prefer it like that as opposed to stretching the picture or using zoom and losing part of the picture.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919738)

Which setting would people recommend?

I wonder why Channel 4 didn't put E4 HD onto 106? Do those below XL not get this? I know that Film 4 HD is available to those with lower packs and assumed that the rest of their portfolio would be too, especially with it being a broadcaster owned by the public.

Maybe there are still a lot of SD only boxes out there too.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919738)

Which setting would people recommend?

I wonder why Channel 4 didn't put E4 HD onto 106? Do those below XL not get this? I know that Film 4 HD is available to those with lower packs and assumed that the rest of their portfolio would be too, especially with it being a broadcaster owned by the public.

Maybe there are still a lot of SD only boxes out there too.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919694)

Due to a fault with Sky, Babestation (and other similar channels not on VM) were off air on Sky and Freeview.

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919817)

Eden HD will close on vm early 2018 according to sources.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919832)

Virgin deal with UKTV up?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35919803)

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Action taken: 10 Posts removed related to concerns of a Confidentiality breach.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919843)

Or is Eden simply closing down?

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35918755)

Future channels going FTA will probably follow the same pattern as seen with the closure of Blighty and the launch of Drama. The replacement of niche channels designed for pay-tv with channels covering a wider range of content, designed to increase the audience reach and make the channels more attractive to advertisers.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919857)

If Eden HD does come off VM I tend to think that it will close and the above will happen.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919857)

If Eden HD does come off VM I tend to think that it will close and the above will happen.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919885)

Sky Sources say that BBC Radio Cymru 2 is now testing on Sky ahead of it rumour November launch date.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919885)

Sky Sources say that BBC Radio Cymru 2 is now testing on Sky ahead of it rumour November launch date.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919891)

Is it testing in stereo?

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919882)

Eden is going fta apparantly.

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35919949)

Afternoon all,

I assume nothing is coming soon. Anyone know any scams for getting the new tivo box? I've got 3 old tivos. Any way of getting out of the 20 quid installation? (if it is even that amount)

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919912)

It won't work as an FTA channel with such a narrow remit. The number of viewers will be too small to be of interest to advertisers. The remit could change but the likes of "Last of The Summer Wine", "Goodnight Sweetheart", "One Foot In The Grave" and the rest of the content wheeled out by UKTV across FTA channels wouldn't be a good fit for Eden.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919959)

Another problem is that I think it would need a Freeview slot to be successful as a FTA channel, but there's only part of a day left on nationwide DTT.

Have a feeling that UKTV may consolidate some channel/s to get around this.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35919959)

Another problem is that I think it would need a Freeview slot to be successful as a FTA channel, but there's only part of a day left on nationwide DTT.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35919974)

Finding other slots for Sewing Quarter and Quest Red +1 could release a 24/7 slot on Freeview. Presumably, these part-time and placeholder channels are on short term contracts using "spare capacity". These were filler slots, previously sharing capacity with BT's promo channel. As BT have moved the promo channel, it would be better for Arqiva to sell it as 24/7 capacity. Also, COM 6 has 15 TV channels, compared to 16 on COM 4 & 5, so a little reorganisation of the radio / audio only channels would allow them to squeeze in an extra TV channel. Sure, video quality would take a hit, not something that has worried them with COM 4 & 5.

COM 7 & 8 have spare capacity and 75% coverage which seems ideal for trying out a new FTA channel.



Dropping Dave Ja Vu to a part time slot, using its Freeview capacity for a new channel is a tried and tested method of bringing new UKTV channels to Freeview. I suspect that Dave Ja Vu would attract more viewers than Eden, so it would be a risky strategy.

If UKTV does plan to bring extra channels to Freeview, I would expect to see a reorganisation of their channel portfolio for it to be viable.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35919885)

Sky Sources say that BBC Radio Cymru 2 is now testing on Sky ahead of it rumour November launch date.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35920017)

+ 1 channels should always be regarded as fillers! I mean, how many of us can't record these days?

I wait to be enlightened!!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35920017)

I mean, how many of us can't record these days?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35920017)

I'm sorry, MB , but if this is the best you can up with, then I think your deal with VM sucks.

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35920026)

LOTS of people. (Including me, as it happens)


MB has a deal with VM? :confused:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35920026)

LOTS of people. (Including me, as it happens)


MB has a deal with VM? :confused:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35920034)

Jesus old boy if It wasnt for mediaboy we wouldnt know anything

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35920021)

I tend to agree but where a +1 channel attracts more viewers than an alternative channel, it is still more attractive to advertisers. Ultimately a FTA broadcaster is totally dependent on income from advertising, so will go for whatever brings in the most cash.

+1s are still quite attractive on Freeview, PVRs are readily available but it is a platform where not everyone has them or even wants them.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35920058)

However, space is very limited on Freeview and we now have VOD, so maybe OB has a point, I guess it's ultimately what attracts viewers and keeps the advertisers happy.

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35920061)

There is certainly a limit to capacity on Freeview. I'd argue that, perhaps, it isn't "very limited" at the moment. Far from there being a queue of broadcasters clamouring for available capacity, there remains a substantial amount of unused capacity, much of which is available at reduced rates.

But, as I said, advertisers are interested in getting their message out to the highest possible number of viewers. Niche channels aren't really attractive to mainstream advertisers.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35920070)

The following channels has been seen on the old XL pack since about 1am last night. They are 'STAR GOLD, STAR PLUS, STAR BHARAT, SONY TV, SONY MAX, ZEE TV, ZEE CINEMA, ZEE PUNJABI, B4U MOVIES, NDTV GOOD TIMES & NDTV SPICE'

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35920070)

The following channels has been seen on the old XL pack since about 1am last night. They are 'STAR GOLD, STAR PLUS, STAR BHARAT, SONY TV, SONY MAX, ZEE TV, ZEE CINEMA, ZEE PUNJABI, B4U MOVIES, NDTV GOOD TIMES & NDTV SPICE'

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35920026)

LOTS of people. (Including me, as it happens)

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35920067)

Sorry, I meant to say on national Freeview. It's true that there is unused capacity on the temporary muxes until 2020.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35920077)

That's ironic really considering the job that you do with TiVo!

In many years to come I suspect that the content owners will try to prevent home recording and use VOD to control their material more.

I was shocked when I read in another thread on here that some things that people actually buy become unavailable after so long!!! Can't do that with a DVD.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35920070)

The following channels has been seen on the old XL pack since about 1am last night. They are 'STAR GOLD, STAR PLUS, STAR BHARAT, SONY TV, SONY MAX, ZEE TV, ZEE CINEMA, ZEE PUNJABI, B4U MOVIES, NDTV GOOD TIMES & NDTV SPICE'

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35920045)

Have all the DNP been revealed?

Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35920111)

They are not worth it - they will screw your life up as revealed today in a Guardian headline