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Since no one knows what it looks like, yes, it is an unreasonable request :shrug:
Agreed :tu:

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:clap::D

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We are in a stronger position then many seem to think and we need to start acting like it rather then the pathetic uncertain prats the remain side are happy to portray us as constantly talking the UK down. If May doesn't deliver full brexit ukip will grow but they will take many from the tories not just labour and might even take enough to do serious damage. Ukip with no elected mp's got us a referendum even though cameron organised it in the most cowardly way ensuring the problems we are seeing, imagine ukip with a load of mp's no way May is going to risk that.

Things are changing in the west people have had enough and no politician can take elections for granted anymore it's just a question of how many more need dumping on their backside before the rest wake up and change.

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Don't trolls work and pay taxes then ;)

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Ask a troll :monkey:

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May will deliver Brexit but we're still going to have some kind of arrangement with the EU as others have explained here. No one voted for a soft or hard Brexit just Brexit.
Regarding your suggestion about Ukip challenging the Conservatives. If there's one thing to understand about new leader Paul Nuttall it's this. His focus is now on taking on working-class Labour seats in the north of England. So not a terrific problem for her. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/228322...-under-threat/

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If May goes for soft brexit there will be a lot of unhappy tories and i doubt nuttall will ignore such easy pickups for ukip. Brexit that ends up paying any meaningful sum of money to the EU is not a brexit any leave voter voted for and if that's what happens you'll see the response on your TV screen.

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They're better of going oop north if their support for zach goldsmith is anything to go by. Odd as well that the public rejects them both in favour of a lib dem, brexit means brexit St Theresa or does it, time will tell

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There will be a lot of unhappy Tories whatever Theresa May decides. The majority of voters in the country simply didn't vote for a hard Brexit including her as that endangers the economy.
The public responses I've seen on my TV screen so far have been a 100-person protest at the Judge's A50 decision and an anti-Brexit LibDem winning the Richmond Park constituency.

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Richmond Park illustrates the very tricky balancing act that May faces. It's not simply a case of pandering to the Eurosceptic wing of the party if she wants to retain Conservative seats in the capital.

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I'd be careful about reading too much into this by election result. That constituency was 70% remain last June, it was 49.5% Lib Dem last night and in any case Heathrow airport was also a significant issue. This wasn't a Richmond re-run of the referendum and it doesn't critically alter the parliamentary maths, which were slightly awkward already.

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Personally, as someone who voted leave, I'm a little tired of remainers constantly claiming they know leavers' reasons for their vote better than they do themselves. Laurie Penney tried it on on Question Time last night and quite rightly got absolutely savaged for it.

"Hard Brexit" and "Soft Brexit" are the imaginings of remainers trying to frame a debate, they are not a serious or useful means of describing the decision making process of people who voted leave.

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Surely it alters the maths in Parliament by replacing a pro-Brexit voice with an anti-Brexit voice? Granted that Zac was no longer a Conservative MP so her party's loss occurred when he resigned.

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You'll see this terminology used across the whole political spectrum as it aids understanding of a complex problem. Vote Leave newspapers like the Daily Telegraph have been particularly keen to adopt it and explain what it means. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d-soft-brexit/

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On this issue it's a simple case of maths - we're talking about everyone who voted in the referendum not just the 51.9%.

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/07...e-9f844c3a07a7

Starting to get more sensible.

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Europe knows our negotiating strengths and weaknesses.

May's Government keeping a cap on its position has been to keep the more extreme Eurosceptics placated but this strategy seems to be weakening as the leaks increase...and the £ benefits.

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:clap:

I am becoming genuinely concerned that remoaners are pushing brexiteers toward UKIP. Try to think it through chaps and the risk that the constant disruptive bleating runs :monkey:. You can't be that thick?

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:clap:

I find it pathetic that they seem to know how or why we voted leave and that they think we want to stay one foot in the door to the EU. No way. It did not say on the ballot form, 'Partially' leave the EU. It was a simple sweeping question and Leave was one of the options.

Now for the vast majority of the leave camp, I am pretty certain, we voted to leave the EU in it's entirety because at the end of the day, leave means LEAVE and we KNEW that voting leave meant:-

Go away from. depart from, go from, withdraw from, retire from, take oneself off from, exit from, take one's leave of, pull out of, quit, be gone from, decamp from, disappear from, abandon, vacate, absent oneself from, evacuate; say one's farewells/goodbyes, make off, clear out, make oneself scarce, check out; abscond from, run away from, flee (from), fly from, bolt from, go AWOL, take French leave, escape (from); informal push off, shove off, cut, cut and run, do a bunk, do a disappearing act, split, vamoose, scoot, clear off, take off, make tracks, up sticks, pack one's bags, flit.

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And the world goes on and the discussion moves to what Leave is going to look like. David Davies was a strong Brexit supporter, we're not talking about a 'Remoaner' here.

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"Personally, as someone who voted leave, I'm a little tired of remainers constantly claiming they know leavers' reasons for their vote better than they do themselves. Laurie Penney tried it on on Question Time last night and quite rightly got absolutely savaged for it.".

It's brilliant how leave voters didn't know what they were voting for but remain supporters know exactly what we voted for and never stop telling us why we voted for leave. This referendum has shown as far as I'm concerned how many people are only in favour of democracy when it delivers the result they want and when it doesn't it should be ignored and done again. If the referendum was held again i think leave would win again and perhaps with a larger majority as despite constantly being told how wrong we were to vote leave not a single person i know that voted leave has changed their position but a couple of people who voted remain have said they would change.

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Some of the pro-Brexit television public seem to be fighting the referendum all over again. We're all leavers now and the debate is now what a workable Brexit looks like.

It's not a case of a someone in Government saying, "I voted leave, therefore I get to determine what Brexit looks like." The Government still has to take the views of everyone into account.

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:tu:

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Theresa May wasn't invited to an important annual EU leaders' dinner

Hardly surprising.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theres...summit-2016-12

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Wrong - the government needs to take the views of what the leave side voted for. A democratic decision has to be upheld and that decision was LEAVE. I mean, wtf is this where the winning side should be dictated in to negotiations to partially remain in the EU by the losing side of democracy ?

There is no possible way to come to some mutual agreement or understanding because the fundamental principles of each campaigns are at opposite sides of the argument.

The Country voted to leave, the remain side and their campaign lost the democratic decision and they want to remain and now, even after losing and somewhat accepting the decision, now campaigning to keep one foot in the door to the EU, it should not be happening because that is not what the leave camp want or voted for.

Had the remain campaign won, there is no way in hell the remain camp would have listened to the leave camp and worked with them to try and achieve a common ground together, we would have been told to bugger off and accept the decision to remain. There would have been no, 'let's see what a 'remain' decision would look like.'

Pfffft.... We already knew what a remain side would look like because Cameron failed to get us a convincing deal prior to the referendum, when he went to Brussels to try and renegotiate our membership arrangements and we was told there would be no further negotiations post-referendum and that's if we had remained, thank heavens we voted the other way, bloody EU cretins. :td:

When we vote a Party in to power, they do not then go down the route of well, 'we'll take the losers views on how to run the Country', DON'T think so.

Out completely from that rotten establishment, that is all I am interested in because that's what I and many many others voted for.

On June 23rd 2016, 17.4 Million people didn't suddenly forget what the definition of 'Leave' meant. I certainly did not!

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Well they do. The Government has to govern for everybody not just those who agreed with them plus it's tactically smart to move into your opponents turf if possible. The Tories have taken ideas from Labour already.

Anyway we're leaving the EU and when it comes to ideas of what our new relationship with Europe will be there needs to be more than 'Leave means Leave'. Paying for some access to the single market is not being part of the European Union, it's a different agreement.

If these ideas are unacceptable then something else will need to take it's place. However what isn't going to happen is a complete withdrawal from dealing with Europe at all, something will take the place of the EU as the way we deal with them.

Again though I point out many of the politicians dealing with this were Leave campaigners.

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There are numerous understandings of what "leave the EU means." We're leaving the EU but how closely we're involved with them in the future is the relevant debate.
Winning the 23/6 referendum is not like winning a war when you invade another country and lay down the terms to the enemy. The Government and pro-Brexit ministers all get this issue and I am sure that those outside government who don't get it now will get it in time.

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Given that project fear's apocalyptic predictions have proved totally false I would expect those who wanted to leave but were cowed into voting remain would change their minds. I would expect an increased majority for a full leave.

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No leave to the majority was completely leave the EU and anything EU related pretty straightforward to be honest and that doesn't mean we turn our back on europe or have no dealings with them. It means we no longer pay a penny more into EU coffers and if we do agree to pay to access the single market you can be damn sure the EU will make the agreement in such a way that the fee goes up each year. But i understand that grasping the concept of life without the EU is foreign to some and the idea of trading globally with our attention more directed to true global trade rather then an ever decreasing trade with the EU. I guess i and most leave voters have more confidence in our nations ability to not just manage on the global stage but prosper greatly from it.

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:clap::clap:

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Leave EU means leave EU and we're all leavers now. But a vote to leave doesn't say anything about leaving the EEA or any subsequent agreements between the UK and EU. We can probably blame Cameron for some of this but we are where we are.
I appreciate that it would be nice from your perspective if a vote to leave had all the bolt-ons that you want it to have and mirrored your views. I regret to inform you it didn't.

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By your definition not by mine and not by the majority and no matter how many times remain supporters try to tell us what the leave vote meant doesn't change the fact that most who voted to leave meant to leave anything and everything to do with the EU. We're not all leavers now at all or we wouldn't have so many trying to scupper it or get it so watered down it's pointless.

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But Europe is the biggest single trading bloc in the word. We should certainly do whatever is in our interests to continue doing well out of Europe. I understand that the EU upsets people that even once outside it some would rather not even deal with them to the extent they're willing to take a hit for the UK so long as it damages the EU more but the country has to come first Rizzy. (imo obviously)

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I assume you didn't read (or take in) the article I linked to earlier. Our membership of EEA is by virtue of EU membership, leave the EU EEA membership goes with it. No ifs, no buts it ceases to exist.

I strongly suggest other remoaners read the Chatham House article linked to as well, it may assist you in understanding what lies ahead and explain better the alternatives open to us. It would save you looking like idiots who can't accept the result of the referendum.

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It would be an EEA-like agreement. We would still be out of the EU.

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An EEA-like agreement has to be negotiated seperately to Article 50 negotiations.

The only link at present is our membership of the EU. Leave one -you leave both.

Please take the time to read the article.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/publica...it-negotiation

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Our trade has been getting worse with the EU it's a stagnating market there are far more lucrative and dynamic opportunites outside of the EU and that's whats in the national interest. There are far more countries that don't have trade deals with the EU then have and quite a few are doing well economically our survival does not lie with the EU and it never has. Yes we will take a hit in the short to mid term but longterm our future is better out of the EU then in and that's not even touching on the number of serious problems the EU has hell even belgium the centre of the EU is in danger of slipping below their own euro currency criteria.

How many times have people on here and elsewhere moaned and complained about short term views and policies being the worst thing we can do and now look what happens when people take a longer view on an issue having their cake and eating it applies to many aspects of brexit at the minute.

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I'm not a remoaner, I'm a leaver like the rest of the country. :)

The Chatham House article was great but please look at its age - it was written months before the recent discussions about Articles 127. Here's a reminder of these developments. http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-28/f...t-article-127/

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I think we should trade with them upon leaving the EU. It makes no sense to intentionally hinder ourselves just because some people want to take it further and not even deal with them. We should put that aside and do what's best for the UK, who cares if it helps the EU as well?

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I'll trump your Article 127 with Article 126.

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Where have i said we shouldn't trade with europe i never have and never would of course we will trade with europe we just shouldn't pay for it and if they impose tariffs so be it we will match them and given we import more then we export i don't see an issue. Take some of the tariffs and compensate any company's that have to pay trade tariffs to the EU so it doesn't cost us anything which our government will be able to do as we'd no longer be bound by EU rules. Nobody rational and sane has ever talked about turning our back on europe or having nothing to do with europe anymore what an utter load of rubbish.

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Good point. And no one has named the nations that we should now be dealing with. India told us where to go unless we increased student visas. China and Russia are impregnable. Theresa May said South Korea and then realised it had a free trade deal with the EU already! In the meantime, the EU is quietly negotiating a deal with Japan, population 127m.

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lol, good call!

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I think we should pay if the Government thinks that costs less than having tariffs or having less access to sell services etc.

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How much should we pay for the privilege of trading with the EU and given there are dedicated teams working to take as many financial services as they can from london how much do we want to pay.

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The financial services would stay here if they had assurances their access to Europe would continue. It would undercut the ability for France and Germany to take them. We shouldn't hold that against France or Germany btw, we would do the same thing.

No idea of how much we would pay. Not remotely qualified enough to put a value on it.

But let's say we're free from EU social chapter legislation, we have privileged access to the single market and we also control immigration? Isn't that an ideal scenario even with a fee?

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No we wouldn't do the same thing as nothing like that is meant to happen until we leave the EU and we are sticking to it but on the EU side not so much.

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What about Damien's main question?

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:clap:

Well said Mick. The bellyaching remoaners are turning out to be the worst kind of losers typical in generation snowflake. It would be nice if we could keep the immigrants and kick out the spineless instead :D.

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I've answered Damien's question leave means leave completely and total I'm very clear on that you however seem to be the one having trouble understanding what leave meant I'm not sure how much clearer i can make myself.

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So you wouldn't be happy with the situation he described then even if made financial sense to the UK to do it?

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The financial sense, you speak of, is fear project, not interested.

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No-one is saying we shouldn't deal with the EU, the stumbling point is on what basis.

EEA is a no-go as that would still allow free movement IMHO. What is an EEA-like agreement? Surely it's either EEA or not.

I think the remoaners are cherry picking Articles out of the Lisbon agreement that suit their needs, as it entails about 350 of Article legaleese reading it's not all that amazing. A duanting task.

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Yup. That's what this discussion is about though. If we get 'control' over our laws and immigration but keep as much access to the single market as is feasible without compromising 'control' then I don't see the motivation for railing against other than it being a wilful act of national sabotage. The Brexiters would have gotten what they wanted and yet still want to go further and remove the positives just so we can say we don't deal with the EU anymore. They've got the divorce, managed to keep the house but now want to burn it down to prove a point.

Now if they did want control + market access then the rest of it just becomes a case of degrees and how good a deal we can get. I would say paying a fee is one of the easiest concessions to make as it's simple and doesn't compromise on the control aspect.

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The EU has made it very clear no freedom of movement no access to the single market as we have had there is no ambiguity here despite how much some people try to pretend otherwise. At this time the EU position is one of we will tell you what you can have and how much it's going to cost you hardly a great starting position. Meanwhile a lot of businesses in europe are worried by the prospect of no free trade agreement between the UK and the EU and will be pushing their representatives to soften the approach. This is why the government has to have a free hand and not have to be running back and forth all the time divulging our plans.

There are a few MP's that would happily screw us over if they thought it would lead to us staying in the EU, we had the vote it was a majority, parliament didn't want to handle this when they had the chance and passed it onto the people to decide which we did. Now they should just honour the vote and let the government get on with it.

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Unless, of course, we're a French-controlled, Japanese-based car manufacturer in which case we shall reveal our hand to them prompto!

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Nail hit on head Damien, that's the reason we want a deal and have softened our stance, it was never about a couple of percent on cars here or a few pence on oranges there it was all about our service industry and it having access, which under most usual trade deals it wouldn't

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Don't get me wrong, I am a passionate Brexiter I just don't agree with the lilly livered alternatives you come out with.

I can see a deal being brokered with the EU in the A50 negotiation period.

What I can also see is remoaners scuppering every chance of a deal with their constant Legal challanges against the will of the majority.

The poor dears.

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You misunderstand the legal challenges then. They're not about challenging the results of the vote, they're about ensuring the process is constitutionally correct. Surely as someone who is so passionate about the sovereignty of the UK should be endorsing such actions as oppose to fretting that they'll scupper Brexit. They won't and aren't intended to.

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The example I have given is a best case scenario. We get control of immigration, laws and retain access with services to the single market. Even that is somehow 'lilly livered'...:erm:

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That sounds like the have your cake and eat it plan leaked the other day

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I beg to differ but have to go out. I will explain why later on my return.

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This post shows a complete lack of understanding on how democracy and the government work .The government are responsible for all the citizens of this country not just those who vote a certain way .I voted to leave and i also accept the government need to act in the interests of everyone not just the "winning side" :rolleyes:



In truth the social chapter legislation and immigration are the main reasons why most voted to leave imo ,it's certainly the main reason why i voted to leave
I would not be happy about paying the EU money to keep access to the single market and i certainly don't think Brussels would go for it but any deal that allows us to trade with as many countries as possible on our terms cannot be turned down

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Yeah I don't think it's realistic. Just coming up with an example to show how some concessions could result in a big win for us.

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Now that's a thought! :tu: :D

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The legal challenges are about who invokes A50 not if or when .That is quite clear .

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There is more to life than money. Didn't your parents teach you that?

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All the more reason to give up some for the best deal possible....

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Quite agree but i do think the government need to be careful and mindful of the reasons why people voted to leave before giving away those concessions.

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I'm getting fed up of bitching breamoaner telling me I didn't know what I was voting for on Brexit/

I knew what I voted for I didn't listen to much information, I knew the second we where getting a vote I wanted out and screw the cost.

And that stupid LibDem woman wants a second referendum NO means NO.

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Only to those with plenty of it ;)

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Yeah they shouldn't give up freedom of movement imo. The rest of it might involves a bit of give and take. I.E Most trade deals involve some loss of control over some laws etc.

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Maybe she'd like to explain how not getting the majority vote entitles her to be an MP?

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Are you thick or something ? that's a totally different scenario ,the result was in her favour so it was correct jeez :rolleyes::)

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......and which, coincidentally, scuppers the article 50 process. Hmmmm, it's almost as if remoaners sudden interest in the constitutional process might have an ulterior motive :D

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No argument from me on that point :tu:

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Sorry I didn't make it clear that she's disputing the majority vote on Brexit as in demanding another referendum but quite happy to accept a minority vote in the FPTP system.

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The Liberal Democrats are against FPTP, hence their support for PR.

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I stand to lose and will be happy to do so if it gets the UK out of that shambles.

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oh i know i was being sarcastic ,pointing out her double standards :)

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Thanks. I think I misinterpreted your post. :tu:

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I still maintain we won't lose in the long run ,i am certain the UK will be a better place to live for my grandchildren ,assuming we have the right leadership to take us out of the EU

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Lol, you didn't know what you were voting for, you proved that here

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=2279

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I said the UK not myself! The UK can never have enough money for schools, hospitals and caring for our elderly. Have your parents not taught you this important lesson yet?

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I knew what I was voting for, I said I'm fed up of being told I didn't

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It's probably the one thing that they and Ukip agree on! ;)

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Yup UKIP got screwed by FPTP.

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The good news is that murderers and rapists can and they should be deported now. The EU is not preventing this. That's the way I read TheDaddy's post.

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Let's just let others decide if you knew based on the post I linked to then, personally I'd say not knowing the difference between the echr and the EU is significant but them they both have European in their titles so who knows

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Totally agreed. A lot of the country's views were ignored due to FPTP and that's unfair and causes resentment.

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I appreciate you posting this. ;)

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No it does NOT. The Government are responsible for listening to the democratic decision and taking that forward, else what is the point in asking people to vote when the will of the majority is ignored ?!?!

If a democratic decision goes one way then we need to focus on THAT decision and take it forward, NOT listen to the losing side that wants to try and keep us IN. Not a bloody chance, so no sorry, I haven't got a lack of understanding at all!!!

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The Government has agreed to implement the will of the people in leaving the EU. That's a given so please stop worrying that it won't happen.
Where it needs to consider the nation is in regards to the future relationship with the EU. And it needs to consider the views of the entire country here, not just a sub-section of the country that voted in a particular way.
David Davis, Boris Johnson all got this. Please step up and join them.

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The government will take us out of Europe ,they have a mandate to do that but you have to realise that they are duty bound to do so in a manner that they feel is going to benefit everyone ,that's why we put them in office in the first place ,if they don't they don't belong in government .
You also need to realise that this isn't a war with a winning and losing side .I want to leave but i don't the country split down the middle with a 'them and us' culture ,that would be more damaging than staying in the EU.
I really wish the vote had been more decisive one way or the other then we would not be having these problems

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Brexit will happen as we know but the fear is the deep divisions in this country which are happening and sadly they could take a very long time to heal IMO.

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I've friends who voted differently to me and it's only a problem if you want to make it one. Vote leave won on 24th June and we've all accepted that result and moved on.
No one I know is kept awake by wild conspiracy theories of the Government not leaving the EU or thinks that because they voted leave only their views and their views alone count on the future relationship with the EU.

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so for example if the Torys win the next election we can expect them to nationalise gas /water/ power /and railways because thats what labour voters want is that how your new word politics works ?? or do they implement their own manifesto policies like they do in the real world because they won ..

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Let me help with regard to Brexit by breaking it down into three stages:
1) The Government has a mandate to take the UK out of the EU and will implement that.
2) Its mandate ends there. That's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.
3) At this stage, it needs to consider the views of the entire country.

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[QUOTE=1andrew1;35873441]Let me help with regard to Brexit by breaking it down into three stages:
1) The Government has a mandate to take the UK out of the EU and will implement that.
2) Its mandate ends there. That's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.
3) At this stage, it needs to consider the views of the winning majority of those who voted in the referendum

:shocked:

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I'm not sure you've totally got it yet so let me help you a teeny bit more. A referendum on a single binary decision gives the democratic authority to implement that decision eg leave the EU. An election gives a democratic mandate to implement the party's election manifesto.

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it was an example of your warped world view

let me explain it to you

Q what do you get for coming last A = nothing

get over it its the winner that writes history not the loser .

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how the hell is the government acting in what it considers the best interests of the country considered a warped world view it's what we bloody well elect them

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Neither do I :)

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Sarah Olney Dragged Off Air By PR During Julia Hartley-Brewer Interview

This is the funniest thing I've heard all week :rofl:

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Excellent point there. As she said, every leading remain campaigner said that voting to leave was a vote to leave the single market.....now the remoanrers are telling us "ah, actually, it was a advisory vote.....and we should get a say in how it goes" You remoaners are really pathetic :dozey:

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Um. No......

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Excellent. Glad the remoaners have realised that at last. End of? :dozey:

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It probably still would because libtard snowflake remoaners do that kind of thing.
Sorry, they do. I wish that they didn't but I suspect that they can't help it.

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Three words .. impressive .. one more and you have a personal best ..

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It's a Breitbart thing... ;)

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Aren't Breitbart arguing for a boycott of kellogg's because they pulled their advertising? The alt-right are very easy to trigger.

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their known as the L.S.R community one must be politically correct its 2016

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Here's the details on this story:

Breitbart declares war on Kellogg's after cereal brand pulls advertising from site

You can't make this stuff up!