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Oh dear that wise old sage Spiderplant seems to in somebody's bad books today.:)
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With the news recently that Time Warner has bought a 10% stake in Hulu now meaning that all the major US studios own a piece of Hulu, it made me think of what this could mean for Netflix and Amazon et all.
I've always gone under the assumption that when the big media cos have their own streaming facilities, they would start withholding their content from the likes of Netflix and this may or may not happen. But what if it were to happen the other way around? Netflix, in particular, is now building up a sizable library of its own tv content and given another five years this will run into thousands of hours of their own tv. And they're making more of their own films too. When Reed Hastings said recently he wants Netflix to be a global tv network, I believed him. But what I think he really means, is, he wants only his own shows on his own "network" and no one else's. He's always said he wants Netflix to be like HBO and perhaps he means it literally. Netflix started off renting videos of other companies' product, but perhaps their future is only distributing their own stuff. What do you think? Do you think Netflix will only have their own shows/films on their service in the future, or do you think they will still be a aggregator for others too? Would you still pay if Netflix only showed their own shows and no one else's? Would Netflix really turn down the opportunity to show a future Star Trek or Star Wars series in favour of their own stuff. Would be risky... I don't think Netflix/Amazon's aim is merely to get as many eyeballs onto their service as possible and away from the big US studios/media companies, I think they're more ambitious than that... They don't just want to compete with Disney, Time Warner, Fox and Viacom, they want to replace them completely. |
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...., oh I agree for now, but its a little bit down the line where I'm pondering where Netflix may end up.
Netflix and Amazon are not just producing a few shows to supplement what they get from elsewhere, I am suggesting that are doing what they are doing (and spending billions) because they intend to be the Time Warner/Disney/Fox/Sony/Paramount of the future. |
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Some here use HULU, hulu are dropping their free service http://tvline.com/2016/08/08/hulu-no...ervices-yahoo/
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Hulu is only limited to the US, even with all the might behind it they had to abandon plans for a UK launch due to lack of content. Netflix has a global footprint and can easily distribute shows and are not tied to any particular hardware.
The studios behind Hulu all probably have their own plans and are more likely want a piece of the pie so they don't get left behind but will never be able to work together to bring you a cohesive service that they can market globally. Netflix who want to bring content to all their customers at the same time or Hulu who will artificially create geo restrictions. |
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.... it's like DVD regions all over again.
As I alluded to yesterday, either the US studios adapt or die. But their whole business is based on having multiple tv channels in the US and doing deals with various broadcasters all over the world. Can they really undo all that (and in a timely way) to put everything on a streaming platform of their own available to everyone worldwide? Do they even want to? |
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Disney is buying a one-third stake in BAMTech, a video-streaming firm started by Major League Baseball and has said it will stream ESPN on it to offsett cord cutting of cable packages. Disney has the option to buy the whole company if it wants to.
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If, however, in sufficient numbers, they wake up to the new way of doing things and experience an ad free on demand environment and get to like it, then the current multi channel system will be unsustainable. |
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Has Netflix really lost its cool factor? Virgin Media's boss says so.
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I'd like to see the full interview. I think he was just explaining why VM was embracing Netflix rather than taking the same view as Sky.
Netflix is indeed a supplementary service, for the reasons he gave. That doesn't mean it's 'uncool'. I watch quite a lot of it and I don't know when I'm going to get around to watching many of the programmes on my watchlist. Damned good service, I say, and well done Virgin for adding it to the system. |
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Interesting developments by a British company on the streaming front.
Perform Group today launches a streaming service in Germany today. Rights include the Premier League which it won against incumbent Sky. http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/...s-portal-dazn/ |
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Just a little problem with the speed, though..... |
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They space their adds a little differently, but the add/show time ratio is identical. Premium subscription cable channels are add free and there is an option via Hulu to watch many Network TV shows add free. |
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Any news on a Amazon Video app
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You want to watch stuff while in the go? Yes as long as you have WiFi and don't want to watch anything that you were recording or the on demand section or channels we don't have a licence for on our mobile app versus watch our whole catalogue and pick up right where left of on another device. He talks content, well who got works wide distribution rights to Star Trek within 24 hours of US broadcast? I said it before but the momentum is changing in Netflix favour they are greenlighting shows that would never be made by traditional networks, see Stranger Things that languished in development hell for years, and is available to binge watch wherever you live. Finally it's a bit rich to talk about debt when our cable company has carried around enormous debt for decades. To cost of setting up Netflix in one country is surely cheaper then digging up roads and laying cable. |
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Anybody know which service was affected by today's police raid? https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/11/...irate-tv-ring/ |
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These were zgemma 'gift' suppliers. |
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It's noteworthy that the police have the time & resources to deal with rich people/companies being deprived of money, yet we are told that they don't have the resources to investigate suspected paedophiles currently active on the internet. |
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I am sure they are investigating all crimes, Richard. |
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- Paedophiles not being investigated. - Burglary victims being sent a DIY fingerprinting kit. - One force today today asked for volunteer drivers to take officers to meetings etc to cut costs! Not all crimes are being investigated, the ban on smoking in a car with children present will not be actively policed as per police chiefs. Any person or organisation who faces a cut in income has to prioritise; it tells us a lot when rich people and companies are being looked after before everyday homeowners and children. |
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Agreed, the police are spread too thinly, but all crimes should be investigated. The lack of resources is down to the Government, and if we do not agree with them that this period of austerity is necessary, well that's what our vote is for. Piracy is a problem and it needs to be tackled by the authorities. Failure to do so will only encourage others. However, the way the industry currently operates does not help matters and I do think they need to get real and stop doing these exclusive deals which deny programmes to other platforms. |
Sky to launch Now TV to launch in Spain at €10pm
First launch in a country where it doesn't offer a satellite TV service. Attraction is low current take-up rate of pay-TV in Spain (27% v 66% in UK)
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Another report of Now TV's Spanish ambitions. Suggests it could be a tough market due to local expectations not to pay for entertainment channels and forthcoming launches from Netflix and Amazon.
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TV Player Plus adds 5 new channels to their pay TV line-up:
http://tbivision.com/news/2016/08/vi...ervice/634722/ MTV, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central Extra, Nick Jr. and Nick Jr. Too are now available along with 25 other popular pay TV channels for only £4.99 per month. Pretty good value. |
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Lifetime History H2 CI Gold Alibi Watch Good Food Eden Home Discovery Channel TLC ID Animal Planet Discovery Turbo Eurosport 1 Eurosport 2 National Geographic Nat Geo Wild Sony Television Sony Movie Channel MTV Comedy Central Comedy Central Extra Nickelodeon Nick Jr. Nick Jr. Too Boomerang Cartoon Network Baby TV Cartoonito Now TV: SKY 1 SKY Atlantic SKY Living SKY Arts ITV Encore FOX Gold (Available on TV Player Plus) Comedy Central (Available on TV Player Plus) MTV (Available on TV Player Plus) Discovery Channel (Available on TV Player Plus) Nat Geo Wild (Available on TV Player Plus) The main difference between the services are the SKY branded channels. TV Player Plus offers a more rounded service which includes sport, kids TV, documentaries, UK entertainment and lifestyle. Shop around, for your NOW TV passes, and you can get both Now TV and TV Player Plus for roughly £8.20 per month. Take out the overlapping channels that both services provide and your getting 37 of the top pay TV channels not available on Freeview or Freesat. If your not hung up on HD it's a real cheap alternative to subscription TV. Both TV Player Plus and NOW TV offer comprehensive catch up services for their channels so no real need for a PVR unless your recording content from freeview. Both SKY's Original Bundle and Virgin's More TV weigh in at £20.00 per month. Both packages cost over double Now TV and TV Player Plus combined. In my opinion the Original Bundle and More TV don't offer the same quality of "premium channels" that are available from the combination of NOW TV and TV Player Plus. For around £21 per month you can get Now TV, TV Player Plus, Netflix and Amazon Instant Video. There's definitely more value to be had from streaming. It all comes down to what you like and how you are prepared to consume your TV. I'm lucky that my LG Smart TV supports Netflix, Amazon Instant Video and NOW TV. I have an Amazon Fire TV Stick which I can use to access TV Player Plus, iPlayer, ITV Hub, 4OD, My5, UKTV Play and my favourite Boxnation. I also have a recordable YouView box in the bedroom, which could easily be promoted to the livingroom if need be. I'm in a position where a subscription to SKY or Virgin Media are no longer essential for mine or my families viewing needs. If SKY keep on offering me 50% off my TV deal every 12 months when I call to cancel I'll keep on taking it. If however they stop making the offer I have no issue at all switching to Freeview and streaming. |
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The streaming services really are going to be a challenge to both Sky & VM and it can only get worse for them. Good for us consumers though. |
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I mentioned ala-carte in relation to tvplus earlier, but what the US cablecos are starting to do in response to the streaming threat is either offer ala-carte, self select packages, or smaller bundles of channels giving greater flexibility. It can only be a matter of time before VM does the same, albeit kicking and screaming.
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Ideally one would like to have PAYGTV so you get billed for the channels and the time you actually watch. No packages and no blocked channels. Then if a movie you really like comes up you can choose to watch it without having to have a movie pack and the commitment that involves. ( I can dream. Right? :angel:) |
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A Now TV Live Chat advisor has said that Sky Sports Mix "will be available on Now TV as a teaser channel for all Now TV subscribers".
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Does anyone use Now TV for Sky Sports?
I've decided to utilise my 200 meg VM connection and try some cord cutting as getting BT Sports and Sky Sports in HD was adding nearly £60 a month to my VM bill when I hardly use the TV side of the service apart from sports and can get most channels I watch via Freeview. I probably shouldn't admit this but I slip my dad a fiver a month to add BT Sports to his BT account and as he doesn't use the sports online I use it and it works perfectly, in fact the Windows app gives one of the best online sports picture I've ever seen without any buffering or drop in quality. I also have a very good American friend who has no interest in football so allows me to use their NBC login, this again works perfectly via a VPN. I try to do the right thing by buying Now TV passes for the events they show that I want to watch but every time there is an issue, on Monday night it got ridiculous, I was trying to watch the Chelsea-West Ham game and the quality dropped every couple of minutes before briefly going up again until it failed to work at all. Out of frustration I gave up and fired up my VPN, connected to NBC and got uninterrupted 1080P streaming so my question is do others that use Now TV for sports suffer similar issues or am I just being unlucky every time I use them? It beggars belief to me that I can connect to a server across the Atlantic, then connect to a different server and get a perfect service but can't get something from a few miles up the road to work. I add I don't get these issues when using the entertainment part of Now TV. |
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However I also experienced some issues and I can't believe it was due to demand of the game I was watching (Raith Rovers vs St Johnstone). I guessed at the time the stuttering and drop outs was due to the demand of a more popular match which was being streamed at the same time. I've not used it since then. |
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How does the picture quality compare between TV Player+ & Now TV? Saw an advert last night for Now TV Combo, is this new? http://www.nowtv.com/broadband-and-tv Free box, free broadband, £9.99 for Now TV and £17.99 line rental per month. Not sure if any free calls are included. £40 or £50 'set up fee' may apply. |
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"At the moment there are no plans for NOW TV to carry Sky Sports Mix. * However if the plans change we will announce*this as we do with anything new* * Cheers Andy" http://community.nowtv.com/t5/Sports...ix/td-p/393253 |
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Start eating http://www.skysports.com/share/10543289 "Sky Sports Mix will be available to all Sky TV customers (not including NOW TV), as well as on selected Virgin Media packages, as well as providing a significant reach for a selection of the live sport available on Sky Sports at no extra cost." |
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You can do it.
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Just been looking at Now TV. Their new box with non recordable Freeview seems daft as you'd be hard pressed to buy a TV without a DTT tuner built in these days.
I much prefer the older and cheaper model. From my research, the new box doesn't seem to be as popular as they had hoped and is now being discounted for anyone that wants one. IIRC it was £69 at launch and has been reduced on Tesco Direct to £59, however someone has seen them reduced to £39.99 in Tesco Express! The older box without Freeview has been reduced to £20. |
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As MM says; already there. I guess it will be the standard 4 weeks availability, and they will have adds. That's why I record any Freeview channel shows. |
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I bought one of the new Freeiview compatible boxes with a 5 month entertainment pass last week as Argos had them discounted to £39 and I really like it.
I can see why some people wont and my use case is probably different to many, in my living room I have a not so good communal aerial with which I've never been able to pick up many Freeview channels so prior to this I had to use a HD Homerun device connected to an indoor aerial in the only place in my home which could pick up a decent Freeview signal then network it around the home. Because of this I'm quite used to the limited now and next EPG that the HD Homerun Kodi addon uses but can fully understand why people don't like it, more to the point though is this new smart box works really well, it has a very good tuner in it that picks up every Freeview channel I previously couldn't get through the living room aerial and the Now TV and catchup apps work extremely well. I have a theory after using this device that Sky use different servers for different devices on their Now TV service, with the new box everything I've played from them starts of on the highest quality available which never changes to a different quality, I have experienced no buffering or errors including a day of watching Sky Sports yesterday which is something I could never say about the Windows app and it also outputs at 50 hz so there's no micro stuttering on panning scenes or as some people describe it a filmic effect on live sports. The Sky Sports News and Sky News apps work equally as good and BBC Iplayer is fast and slick again always giving the highest bitrate. I've tried the other apps like All4 and ITV Hub and they seem to work well too but to be honest there's not much on there I want to watch and can't stand the amount of unskippable ads they serve up so can't comment too much on them other than they looked good in a couple of brief tries. If its any recommendation I went out and got another one with a movie pass this time for another room, I had to get this from Tesco's though as Argos had sold out everywhere. I'm not overly bothered by the lack of a recording, I can't remember the last time I set something to record although I wouldn't be surprised if a future firmware update activates the USB port to do this if Sky get enough complaints about the lack of this feature. |
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However, for me, the Tivo has many features which I want to keep, such as the EPG showing programmes weeks ahead, the recording and wishlist functions, etc. So Now TV is a useful add-on for me, but not something I would ditch my XL subscription to VM for. However, I have been toying with the idea of getting the Movies pass and ditching Sky Movies on Virgin, as VM are more expensive and I tend not to record films. The PQ on Now TV is very good although not quite HD. |
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With the kids in the house I find we're watching on average about 6-8 films a month. great value for £9.99 a month. I'm going to watch the last series of Hell on Wheels and get through season 3 of The Strain (Pretty sure Watch have excusive rights to the first showing of this) then I'm ditching VM's XL package and going for the bog standard M tv package......unless VM throw me a massive incentive. It' been nearly a whole month since any of us in the house have watched/recorded anything not available on the M package with Now TV entertainment. If anything we've been using Amazon and Netflix the most. For some strange reason it takes what can best be described as "courage" to cut back but I'm looking forward to taking the leap. |
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I know that "courage" feeling. I must have gone back and forth for almost two years before dumling one of my two boxes and getting the M package on my remaining box. Don't regret it one bit the services I currently subscribe to give me everything I need, Netflix, Amazon and Now TV. also on free trials for Funimation and Crunchyroll which I am really enjoying will be tough which of the two to keep once the trails are up.
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New series of Narcos started on Netflix last night.
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I've only just realised I can watch Google play stuff on my main tv through the roku, another useful option. I'm always getting codes and offers from them
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Is it me or is the sound on 'Magic City' poor?
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Now TV Entertainment and Cinema passes £1 for first month for new customers
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Possibly a free month of NowTV entertainment pack using 1 of these 2 codes, ENTFT or ENTSFT for new and existing customers, i havent been able to add it to mine as i already have an entertainment pass.
For new and existing customers. http://www.hotukdeals.com/freebies/n...-entft-2503691 |
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Neither working for me. Time for yet another email and new account :D
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A quick heads up(if somewhat belatedly) for Now TV customers who want access to Sky Box Office content, if you own a Now TV box they have today added a Sky Box Office app to the app store, so if you're wanting to watch the Golovkin vs Brook fight tonight its now available.
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I saw Tesco had Now TV boxes with 3 Months Entertainment or 2 Months Movies for £15. The latter is better value but 3 months entertainment and box for £15 has me sold.
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I have enough Now TV passes to last a year by waiting for the likes of Amazon, Tescos and Argos to have special offers on their boxes. I think the best I got was a box with a 6 month entertainment pass for £18 and the worst a box with a 4 month movie pass for £20. After harvesting the useful parts like HDMI cables and batteries the boxes went to the local charity shop and the passes stayed with me to be activated when needed. |
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Amazon sell the box with a 6 month pass for £26 still more expensive than previous deals though. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/.../?tag=ho01f-21 |
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If you're happy paying £5 a month for the entertainment passes then there are lots of places where you can get vouchers for that price,
whilst I hate praising Sky I think its a very good idea of theirs to have Now TV passes available on the voucher racks in stores and supermarkets, you don't even need to go out to get the entertainment passes at a fiver a month, game.co.uk do them and just send you an email with the code on once the sale is confirmed. Also the standard price for Sky Sports weekly passes seems to be £10 everywhere so its advisable if you want one to save a quid and not buy from Sky. Getting movie passes at a decent rate is harder, you can go to ebay but I've had the odd dodgy pass from there, but every 2 or 3 months the likes of Amazon, Argos and Tesco will do a deal for a box and 4 months movies for around £18-£20, if you're into your movies its well worth keeping an eye on those sites, there's probably others too that cable forum members may wish to suggest. |
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I got my current "black" box off Amazon for £18 with 4 months movies. Last time I looked they had the 6 month + box on at just under £30 (similar price to what they were asking for a 6 month voucher on its own). Pays to keep checking I guess. Granted £25 for 6 months is better that £15 for 3....might even be tempted to order that too in preparation for dropping my VM TV. £40 for 9 months of entertainment is still pretty good. |
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Interesting to read that Liberty Global's verdict is that Netflix on the Tivo works for them. A good sign, perhaps, that Amazon will be next.
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/60422...content-focus/ Liberty Global to increase online content focus Liberty Global will look to increasingly focus its content spend online, according to company CEO Mike Fries. Speaking at Goldman Sachs’ 25th Annual Communacopia Conference in New York yesterday, Fries said that currently Liberty spends some US$2 billion per year on content, most of which is currently “spent on channels like Discovery”. “An increasing amount of that is spent on rights for content that we provide online – that we provide in our replay formats and our SVOD platforms. That will be the nature of where we’re headed.” Ask specifically about M&A opportunities in terms of content, Fries said that Liberty would remain “opportunistic” when it comes to deals but played down the often speculated-about potential for Liberty to buy ITV – the UK broadcaster it holds a 9.9% stake in – saying “I don’t see any massive vertical integration big bangs.” “The ITV stake has been a good investment for us and I think that is a great company,” said Fries. “Maybe some day it could be an interesting thing for Virgin to take another step [in], but not today.” Fries cited last year’s joint investment with Discovery in Lionsgate as a “very good” relationship and said that work is now underway to “work more closely together, putting capital to work strategically together as opposed to waiting for things to fall off the tree.” He also said that Liberty and Discovery’s joint ownership of UK production company All3Media is “starting to provide benefits in Ireland, where we’re getting the best shows they have onto our broadcast networks”. “We are looking at some of our own independent production opportunities – small stuff though. Let’s say we’re moving slowly into this space and I think it’s the right thing to do,” said Fries. Discussing Liberty’s recently announced Netflix partnership, which will make the SVOD provider’s content available to its subscribers in 30 countries around the world, Fries said the deal is “not disruptive in the least”. “It’s additive to the overall content product that we’re offering to consumers and I think it’s going to be a win-win,” said Fries. “In the UK where 800,000 of our customers have the Netflix app built into the box, they watch more television, they pay us more… and they churn less. Why? Because they have everything right there.” In August, All3Media announced it will make four original drama series for cable platforms owned Liberty, marking the first time Liberty has agreed to a multi-territory deal to create exclusive original programming for its customers. |
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... clearly, he's obviously never used Netflix on one of his tivo boxes then.
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Why pay VM a considerable sum to rent a new box when there are cheap as chips devices you can own to play Netflix and Amazon content as well as other content with a smooth and slick interface?
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