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Yes l received it as well and l did have a chuckle.:)

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I got that yesterday too

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Maybe their next logo will be "Patience is a Virgin.":)

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I got a an A4 letter this morning from Virgin offering me everything from a mobile to their VIP package but as I am on the highest TV package at the minute do not want this but am wondering what VM are going to offer us because of the loss of ESPN..now the only decent sports channel is Sky although on screen VM state that eurosport is an alternative but to me the sport they show is rubbish so I will be waiting to see want comes of it and if nothing then I will be downgrading my TV package with them or might move to Sky just for their TV :-( very unhappy with VM at the minute

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Eurosport? Yay - beach soccer and ski jumping.

At the moment I'm just about happy. But I think anything else that makes me frustrated will be the last straw and I'll be off to sky, after being with Virgin / telewest for 14 years.

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Sky Sports not available on BT YouView for football season start

Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 will not be available on BT's YouView platform for the start of the 2013/14 football season. Ofcom is currently investigating the wholesaling pricing of the channels in the dispute between Sky and BT, but refused to put into place interim measures to give BT access to the channels.

BT had appealed to the regulator in May, arguing that the price being charged by Sky was an abuse of its market dominance. Ofcom will make a decision on the matter later this year. "We expect this initial analysis to inform consideration of whether and how to proceed further with the investigation, during autumn/winter 2013," it said in a note.

Sky Sports 1 and 2 will continue to be available via TalkTalk's YouView boxes, and also for BT Vision customers. Sky won a previous Ofcom ruling last month when the regulator decided that Sky Sports did not have to carry adverts for BT Sport.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...#ixzz2apv80ZJb

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Let me tell you a story (true, happened to someone close to me..me :D)

i woke up this morning, giidy with delight that i had ESPN and BT sport

I turned on tv...no BT sport, no ESPN. Unhappy bunny.

I went online, checked, and ticked boxes for free BT sports. Unfortunately, as it was after 1 Aug, they were going to charge me for HD (£3).

I (after palpitations, fear of humility on this forum) sent email at 5:30 am saying that not only was this bunny unhappy, I wanted it sorted by Monday regarding the charge, or i would cancel (i tend to use nuclear missiles strategy, then worry about fallout, like, having to pay for BT elsewhere)

I got an automated reply, and when i came home from work, a reply saying yada yada, if standard Q&A does not answer your questions, reply to this email. I did.

I got a phone call on my mobile (though can't remember giving it out) from a pleasant woman, who apologised for the hassle, and of course told me to not worry, it will be sorted. She will check on Monday, and make sure it is sorted.

Now, as much as you might criticize BT of old, that was good service.

I am now at defcon 5 (I am also hoping that is the lowest setting, or i might accidentally start a war) :D

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Personally I find the range of sport on Eurosport very good. They cover all the cycling that matters as well plenty of football and during the winter all the winter sports.

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Good customer service means getting it right first time, IMO.

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No, I disagree.

Best will in the world, things will happen. It might even be that it was partly my fault (though I will argue, and this is not an admission of any blame, :)), as perhaps I should have done something (not obvious).

But i judge customer service at point of when i have an issue, and how quickly it gets resolved to my satisfaction.

There is no company that gets it right 100%. And i mean no company.

Believing that is like believing in santa, or that "coming soon" means soon :D

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I completely agree - mistakes occur. And if you think that getting something wrong, replying to the first complaint with an automated email, only showing any understanding of the issue once they respond to the second complaint, albeit this time by telephone, and being prepared for you to wait until Monday before they even check to make sure they've resolved your problem constitutes good customer service then I'm genuinely pleased for you that your expectations have been met.

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Having an issue resolved quickly (within 1 day) is good.

I have seen response times of other companies take a lot longer.

And that includes Virgin.

So, if you think getting it resolved within 1 day is bad service, that speaks more about your standards than mine

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I don't think getting it resolved in one day is bad at all. I don't think you should have had to send 2 emails to achieve this, though, and I don't believe that you should be prepared to accept that you might be partly at fault if, by your own admission, what was required of you wasn't made obvious to you by the company requiring it. Like I say, good customer service is getting it right first time and it appears, in this instance, that the entire event was avoidable had they been clearer with you from the start (I'm assuming you were supposed to opt in to receive the channel, but didn't realise and so didn't do so?).

Like you say, our standards are different, but hey, that's no bad thing, just means you're not tying up call centre staff when I want to complain!

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I agree completely .:D

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Fwiw I emailed Virgin this morning, and have already received a personal, not standard, reply, with a named point of contact and a promise of a follow up - but yes, I accept they don't always get it right either.

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lol..true. And i don't like phoning, an email I can type at my leisure. (though if irked, it is done toot sweet)

I might have got more annoyed if i was stuck in some queue on the phone, and it was 5:30am when i contacted them by email, and repeated an email response when I got home (say 4pm), and got phonecall at 6pm (i think).

And i had BT sport when i got home, my issue was future bill, which meant it was a limited issue, and ensuring I prevented a future one (my money is sacred to me, I may waste it upon occasion, but i won't let someone else waste it) :)

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I wonder if Den will be watching the Liverpool game today. KO is in less than one out. Only place to see the game is on BT Sport 1 HD :D:D

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he can always stream it ;);)

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Or go watch it in a pub..and get steaming :D

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Would need a BT ID to stream it :D

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Lol

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Us real gentlemen will be watching the cricket Sir and we will let the hoodlums like you and Colin enjoy your football.;):D

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nope you don't you just got to know where to look :D:D:D

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That should be good. I think England are struggling :D

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Cricket is rubbish. Oh well Liverpool will still be rubbish without you watching the game :D:D

Thats illegal :D

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but that's what happens when wth holding channels as I always said it bad no matter with holds it should never happen and it would stop the illegal streaming

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Does the NFL have a confirmed home on TV for 2013 / 2014?

I'm currently listening to Off The Ball on Radio BBC Scotland. One of the guests was talking about watching NFL on terrestrial TV in the early 90's when one of the hosts of the show said something along the lines of "Here's a little hint, it'll be back on terrestrial TV soon."

Don't however assume that means it will be on the BBC. One of the hosts of the show also works for Channel 4.

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BT Sport launches to customer complaints, UFC loses 3.8 million Virgin TV customer base.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/8/3/...-customer-base

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As the article suggested, UFC should have sought a deal with SKY Sports instead.

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Exactly how I saw this happening; it will be the sport providers who will not be chuffed with their actions hopefully they can force BT hand a bit.

For me I am worried what BT are eyeing up next. (We lost the first battle but the war ain't over )

I think the next 2 in BT short list they could realistically pursue (and I am worried even just mentioning in case they would do)

1) boxing (which could mean blackout of boxnation to virgin if they bought it)
2) NFL - good strong following in UK and talks of UK franchise meaning bigger interest in the future

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No no no Chad! They are a very very bad radio station to be listening to...:redcard: :D

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clearly though they weren't to know that a deal with virgin wouldn't be done to carry the bt channels

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Don't know I think sky was only a new one year deal left very late last year (less than 24 hrs before first game)

Please please please don't be BT:(

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I seem to remember it was going to be the death of football..when Sky first got the rights

Lets wait and see.

i suspect BT would be happy for virgin to get their channels, but like sky, not willing to let Virgin undercut the price their own customers get

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This.........:tu:

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I have come to a conclusion with VM, the whole scenario is that VM are making their normal 'we won't pay that' similar to Skys Atlantic.

At the end of the day, in the end we pay for what we want to watch, trouble is with VM is that they want it on 'the cheap' nothing unusual.

I have already made a formal complaint to VM over this - l a, without THREE channels which l; am paying for and it has been several days now.

There comments to me is not enough. As of yet l have had not phone call from them - very poor service, l have a strong feeling that there will be lots of customers leaving to go to Sky.

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So I just called up to cancel and was told quite authoritatively by the customer services agent that we should hear something early next week. In fact she said there is an agreement but VM are just trying to get it in to XL. Now I must admit that I don't think I believe her, but she was very sure sounding. So they've got till Weds (when my GroupOn voucher expires) and then I'll call and this time will cancel.

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I don't believe her either the cancellation department have an awful habbit of telling people something is arriving only for nothing to happen but as ever we shall have to wait and see

VM's main aim to get BT Sport by will be August the 17th IMO

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What is the cots of BT Sport on BT if you don't have broadband with them? Do BT charge £12.00 plus £3.00 for HD to their own customers?

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Yes, that is my understanding

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BT Sport needs BT Broadband according to BT's website

http://www.bt.com/sport/BT-Sport-on-BT-TV/index.html

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BT might be asking Virgin to pass on the full £12.00 per customer should BT Sports launch on Virgin. This would mean Virgin would have to charge more than £12.00 per month for the channel in order to make some sort of profit, and make the deal worthwhile.

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I stand corrected.

I thought you could watch without broadband...on BT tv or online

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Looking at quite alot of quotes on VM Twitter. So many people saying "just heard ESPN has gone, what channel is BT Sports on?" etc. how stupid are people? i often wonder how do people live and function everyday with such lack of awareness about anything that's going on around them.

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Not everyone is informed about daily happenings in VM world, if anything it shows the communication was clearly not enough for its customers. Because we have a huge interest is what brings us here but we re but a small % of total users so I be careful to call them "stupid" without full facts

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Best to ignore...source is questionable

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That was my thought, similar to sky sports

But who knows, wait and see seems to be the tactic..if not in a rush

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haha. i am questionable as a source? so you are saying the VM Twitter feed is questionable as a source too? because that's my source. I stated so in my post. the VM Twitter is my source.

*reads cable forum, leans over, and presses play on The Twilight Zone original theme*

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BT Sport needs customers - no matter where it comes from, l know l keep knocking on about VM etc etc, But this deal should have been months ago, not last week or this week, months ago when it was announced.

WE the customers will end up paying for it, but l certainly won't pay £12.00 per month for it, thats a certainty, times are hard financially for everyone, and we the customer are not an easy ride regarding - ' oh if the customer wants it, they will pay for it'.

But sadly this is all VM all over, they want channels on the cheap so they can make money.

When l spoke to them last week, they said 'we are still in talks' well do they work weekends, and do they know the football season HAS started. And where are we still waiting.

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sigh, now turns into education mode

A source of questionable comments.

education mode off

:D

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And there is still nothing on the Customer News section either - to keep us informed of what is happening - same old crap.

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One point i have to agree with, is that talks must have started a long time ago. Find it hard to believe Virgin didn't wonder what to do about BT getting ESPN, and not think something needed done.

It might be that it is delayed because of what each party has decided is their "this and no more" line in the sand. Perhaps Virgin hoped BT would blink first.

that would explain the comment i heard.."Blinking BT", :D

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Didnt you want to come to Sky so you get BT Sport? Have you rang Sky to join again? I cant keep up with you Arthur, im going grey :)

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You will go grey once you complete your promised pledge in the coming weeks Mr Stokes.:D

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You at least can't say he isn't consistently inconsistent :D

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Now i have heard it all

den offer stokes 50 shades of grey :D

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Thats does sound like something from 50 shades of grey. I have read it and im sure there is something simular. Den is the new Christan Gray :D:D

Good point

Den is scareing me more and more

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Oh l am a very nice man my dear chap but one does have to deal with these nasty minions all the time and it does wear on my poor body and mind at times.;):D

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Sounds ike a new Mr Grey to me. I do not want to go to your red room of pain thanks. Ill sit outside this time. Maybe you will find someone soon thou :D:D

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Let me explain something.

I have had Sky for years, VM contacted us and gave a better deal, we went over to VM and kept Sky for Freesat.

As we had trouble with VM we went back to Sky, but they gave us HD and wanted more money then qouted.
Went back to VM - BUT, they then gave us a load of flannel over BT Sport. Over a period of the few weeks since BT Sport came out and the farce with VM and there way of treating customers. NO communciations, NO customer news on there website. The shambolic customer service communications, you asked them a queestion, and they go round the houses and in the end don't tell you anything.

Thats why l told them yesterday IF, l do not see the FIRST Spurs game on BT Sport on VM by the time they KO, then it waill be back to Sky - all l need to do is call Sky and switch back on the day.

They have not even offered discounts for customers with the loss of THREE channels although its still shown on the EPG - I am furious.

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Arthur if you already have Freesat from Sky then why not just add BT Sports to that if VM don't get it? Then there's no messing about having to switch providers and you still get the sport you want

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i suspect he doesn't want to pay, unless forced.

And would switch because he feels the virgin offer is devalued.

But only guessing :)

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Ben B, Sky have already told us, we can't do that. We have to subscribe to the whole Sports package.

This is a copy of an email that l recvieved back from VM.

Hi there,

Thanks for the email you sent to us on 1 August 2013. We will get back
to you as quickly as possible.


Kind regards,

The team at Virgin Media

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You don't get BT Sports from Sky, you get it direct from BT and give them your Sky viewing card number

http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...Sd2w%3D/c/6401

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Aurthur you do not need a Sky sub to get BT Sport, just an active Sky Box a active FSFS card so you can give them the viewing card number

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The only negative, is that the free HD offer finished on the 31 July.

But I wouldn't pay it, and see if they offer it again (or negotiate joining if you get HD for free). Always worth asking

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Just want to throw in my thoughts in here guys,I don`t think BT sports will be much of a challenge in the long term to sky sports. Sky have seen off ITV sport,Setanta and ESPN in the past and no way BT will do any better against Sky. For me ESPN could of offered a real strong challenge to sky sports if they had wanted to because my understanding is the Disney corporation who owned ESPN are far wealthier than sky but rather strangely decided to walk away instead.
Now regarding whether virgin get BT sports I think virgin are not wholely to blame here guys. I believe BT are deliberately making things difficult for virgin because they are after Virgin`s broadband customers(see their latest advert as proof of this). As I say just my opinions,hope virgin customers get a good deal

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That was my understanding as well.

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Firstly let me say that, l have always said that IF BT Sport arrived on VM, l would have no objections in paying extra for it, BUT not £12.00 per month - that is too expensive for three channels.

Secondly, we had a similar problem with Sky over the Basics (look how long we waited for that to appear) and now atlantic, Sky have said countless times that, the channel Atlantic has been offered to VM at a reasonable price, but won't give it away.

Sky is a business on how to make money - l will say again - VM want channels on the cheap, at the end of the day ITS US THAT END UP PAYING FOR IT.

So doesn't VM sit down with Sky and BT Sport and sort out this mess, or are the directors of VM playing golf all day.

I think Monday morning there will be a lot of angry VM customers calling the customer services asking to be released from the contracts. Due to the present BT Sport problem. On this forum there must be quite a customers that are mad football fans - like me - and will go to another supplier for its football.

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then why go to sky Arthur if your not gonna pay £12PM that's the price for bt sports on sky so why go if you wont pay that price and it £15PM if you want HD so your contradicting yourself and you have to pay BT directly for BT sports on sky as pointed out before

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Hi Dave 42, I have never said l wanted HD channels, my wife won't pay for that. IF, VM won't have it on the system, then l have no choice but to pay the 'rip off' price.

It will be cheaper than going from my house to WHL, it would cost me a lot more than £12 l can assure you.

What l think could happen and this is why there is a problem - is, VM want it on the XL package and want it included in the Sports package and we don't pay any extra for it. But l could be totally wrong, as BT Sports wants a direct price for it.

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yes it a waiting game now Arthur and im sure BT shareholder wont be happy not getting money of VM for the channel as they spend lots of money on it for no return I think VM will get it before premier league kicks off that's all I want it for don't like other sports they got rugby tennis ect just be a little more patient Arthur I think you will get your wish

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Sky have the two early games on Sunday 6 pm 9.30 pm they are also showing Thursday games 1.30 am . SNF and MNF are yet to be confirmed, however, I have seen unconfimed rumours that channel 4 will be showing SNF. I have heard nothing about MNF. hope this helps.:D

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Sky signed a three year deal still two to go. Don't panic.:D Keep up to date with NFL at NFLUK.com

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There are so many contradictions in your post that I don't even know where to begin.....

So you'll pay for it, but not what BT want to charge for it, and somehow this is VM's fault?

If you go to Sky, you will have to pay £12 per month, but you have said you won't pay this - how do you square that circle, Arthur?

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Hugh my boy, l like it when we have a banter with each other.
Didn't VM have a row with Sky over the Basic package, now we have the Atlantic scenario, and again BT Sport.

VM have been offered all these channels, but wont budge on the price. VM have always been tight fisted and want channels on the cheap and always wil.

It would not surprise me that VM will have BT Sport but will charge the same price, so why all the fuss coming from VM. and quietness.

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do you want VM to pay well over the odd for SA Arthur as been proved by Ofcom that sky overcharge on channels

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Did some rough back of a napkin calculations on how this adds up for BT:

The premiership TV deal was ~£730m over 3 years, so adding in the other rights (which are much lower in value), plus running costs, I think for BT to break even purely on the TV they need to be clearing ~£1bn (?) in revenue from BT Sports over the 3 year period, which is ~£28m a month.

Current subscriber numbers are ~500,000, although I would expect that to double by the end of the year once things get rolling. Pricing this is harder, as the BT broadband customers get this for free, but this is offset partially by extra profit they get from increased broadband customers. There is also a dual pricing model (£12 or £15), so to balance out both sides lets just naively class everyone as on the £12 tier. So, at expected end of year rates, they will have less than half of the required customers to hit even - rough estimate, they would need 2.5m users for a like for like offset, knock off 500k+ for the extra profit they would gain from pulling people over to BT Vision, BT Talk and BT Broadband and triple play bundles.

So, to sum up a very simplistic model, BT need to double the year end 2013 customer numbers over three years for it to be a worthwhile venture.

BT: Need 2m
ESPN: Had ~1.2m (estimate)
Sky Sports: Have ~5m (estimate)

So, given the quality of BTs current rights (based on general subscriber popularity), which puts them somewhere above ESPN but well below Sky Sports, if they have hit ~1m by the end of the year I think they will actually be fine without needing to wholesale to BT to anyone.

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(Basically its almost impossible to tell, but they should manage a break even long term, with significant gains in the other core products as a knock on effect - so it probably does make business sense. Really needs 2+ years data to make any real conclusions)

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so,if you go to Sky, will you pay them the £12 you stated you wouldn't pay VM?

From YOUR post

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you pay BT not sky the £12 for BT sports on sky

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Thanks for the correction - but Arthur has said he won't pay that to VM, so will he pay it to BT?

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if he moves to sky he got to pay it to bt to get the sport yes

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Still bemused how many still seem to think that:-

a) Sky has a deal with BT Sport.
There is no deal with Sky, far from it, BT Sport just has an entry on the SKY EPG.

b) VM can just take BT Sport 'at any price'. Business just doesn't work like that. BT call all the shots on this one so VM are at BTs behest and have to 'sit and suffer' whilst negotiating what they consider a feasible price.

c) VM can can say anything more than 'we are in talks with...'
They cannot. These will be commercially sensitive negotiations and because of this, their hands will be tied along with those at BT, who would have to abide to Stockmarket regulations and NOT be allowed to say anything that would be considered share price sensitive.

I've said here previously, I am 100% certain that BT Sport will be made available to VM. I truly think it would be commercially stupid for VM/BT not to come to an agreement. At what cost to VM customers... who knows? Perhaps £10 to £15.

I fully intend to take it WHEN it arrives on VM...and am prepared to pay for it and hope that HD variant is available in any package offering.

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Den

Some of us are off to watch a proper mans game in Castleford ;)

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Well old bean you know we are known as southern softies down here.;):D

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Sadly as the London Broncos are proving this season in Super League... oh well!

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I think that VM customer services will be red hot today and tomorrow with cancelling there contracts, over this.

VM are still showing on there epg that they have ESPN, so surely, legally they are showing deception in one form or another as on ESPN they show a programme, and then they have a notice saying the channel is no longer available.

This is what annoys me, IF the channel is no longer available, how long does it take to remove the ESPN sign - or dont the engineers who run it have the time to remove it.

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Indeed the pies found that out.

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The slates are there for any customers who are unaware that the channels have closed and try to tune to them. It will also make it quicker to restore the channels if/when a deal is done.

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Well said! Agree totally.If virgin just accepted BT`s proposal without any negotiating then it wouldn`t make commercial sense. Virgin have got to try and get the best possible deal they can for their customers otherwise keeping existing ones and attracting new ones becomes more difficult.

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If it helps people BT Sport and ESPN dont broadcast in DD 5.1 unlike Sky Sports HD. Its a shame :(

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It does,spend all that money to get the rights then broadcast on the cheap sounds like bt

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Its very good PQ just a shame o DD 5.1

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Now that is disappointing, ESPN HD used to have 5.1 on VM, sky really do know what people want.

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Sounds just as important as pq bud ;)

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I agree

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Interesting that BT Sport have decided to put the match score and station logo at the botom of the screen rather than the top. Not sure yet whether I like it or not. What do others think? Also,didn't sky sports try it that way a couple of years ago but reverted to the normal way after a week or two?

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does espn say bt espn or just espn

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Im not fussed

Just ESPN

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I saw the logo on the BT Sport game, l think there is a good reason for that. To see how many people call and complain about it.

If l was watching the channel, l would certainly complain about it.

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And why do you say this? I see nothing wrong with it

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I don't see how it makes even the slightest bit of difference where the logo is.

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 

There are two things that make a difference. One is that where the logo is at the bottom right hand corner, interfere with you watching the show, where as if it is at the top right, there is no interference.

The other one is that, similar to the 'numbers that appear on Sky, it could be a trick from BT Sports to see how many people are watching and will complain about it.