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Damien 12-12-2012 22:20

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35510816)
I don't care. I'm tired of Wengers bull vision. Anyway Chelsea are away at the World Club Cup are they not?

Hope they lose then.

Dave42 12-12-2012 22:45

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Swansea 1 Middlesbrough 0 well done Swansea into semi final of league cup

Russ 12-12-2012 22:51

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35510841)
Swansea 1 Middlesbrough 0 well done Swansea into semi final of league cup

The entire city has just gone bananas :D

thenry 12-12-2012 23:31

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Darren @DarrenArsenal1
RT As I said earlier Thursday's Telegraph Sport front page - "Control freak" #tomorrowspaperstoday
3:19pm Wed Dec 12
https://www.twitter.com/DarrenArsena...4894003200?p=p
http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net...yG~Jrlj7Kwt-8_

Damien 12-12-2012 23:33

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By who?

thenry 12-12-2012 23:38

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Telegraph Sport

Damien 12-12-2012 23:40

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35510884)
Telegraph Sport

It's not a headline if they're the ones doing the accusation. ;). Who is accusing Wenger of being a dictator? Bould? It better not be bloody Stuart Robson since he has been saying that on TalkSport, he isn't involved with the club and he is been saying it for years. They could print anything if it's a 3rd party making the accusation.

MalteseFalcon 12-12-2012 23:43

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Liam Brady I think it is, something about dictator on Mail Sport. Well it was earlier, not there now.

Damien 12-12-2012 23:44

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Aghh I just wanna know so I can go to sleep. Stupid papers.

thenry 13-12-2012 00:54

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Brady has said something but I'm not going to say until 11:59 :LOL:

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only joking Damien :D word was Arsene and Bould are not getting on. this went round days ago.

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added to that Bould has told other staff member Wengers lost it. hardly news tbh.

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Lone Udinese football fan wins hearts in Italy
m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20700529

A football fan has stolen media attention in Italy after being the only supporter to show up to watch his club play an away game in the top league. Udinese fan Arrigo Brovedani was the club's sole supporter in Genoa for a Serie A match against local team Sampdoria. The 30-something wine merchant found himself alone in the visitors' section. But Sampdoria stewards gave him coffee and home fans invited him for a drink after the match.

Mr Brovedani told the BBC he had not expected to find many fellow supporters from Udinese, one of the smaller clubs in Serie A. It was a cold Monday night and Udinese never attracts more than 50 or 60 away fans. "But I went there thinking I'd find five or six other people," the Udinese fan said. "I went into the stadium while they [Udinese] were warming up. I shouted and said 'hi' to the team. When I went in the local fans booed me, I felt a bit offended. But in the end they clapped and invited me for coffee and a meal, and the club managers gave me a shirt. They wished me a merry Christmas."

Genoa is about four hours' drive from Friuli, where Udinese are based. But Mr Brovedani was in Genoa on business. "I like the stadium there, it's very similar to English stadiums," he said. "I always take my flag and scarf around - they're always in the car with me." Luckily for Mr Brovedani, Udinese won the match 2-0 and the team dedicated their victory to their only fan. He has been invited to attend its next home match on Saturday.
thats shocking. they turned up vs us. they should give him a season ticket.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35510886)
It's not a headline if they're the ones doing the accusation. ;). Who is accusing Wenger of being a dictator? Bould? It better not be bloody Stuart Robson since he has been saying that on TalkSport, he isn't involved with the club and he is been saying it for years. They could print anything if it's a 3rd party making the accusation.

your going to love this > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-Bradford.html

denphone 13-12-2012 06:31

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35510841)
Swansea 1 Middlesbrough 0 well done Swansea into semi final of league cup

Yes fully deserving for a team that has done Wales proud.

Damien 13-12-2012 08:55

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added to that Bould has told other staff member Wengers lost it. hardly news tbh.
Not news. More unverified rumours from Twitter.

Aghh I knew it. They just want to write a crisis story. How is it they can have a sports front page based on a quote from someone on TalkSport who has nothing to do with the club! I like the way they've put the quote quite low down because they know it makes the rest of the article rather flimsy.

denphone 13-12-2012 09:15

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Wenger has "considerable" funds, Supporters Trust is told.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20705876

But the question is will he be there to spend it?.

Dave42 13-12-2012 09:21

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35510975)
Wenger has "considerable" funds, Supporters Trust is told.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20705876

But the question is will he be there to spend it?.

can't see him getting sacked Den

denphone 13-12-2012 09:23

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35510977)
can't see him getting sacked Den

Alas have we not heard that before Dave.

Damien 13-12-2012 09:42

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35510978)
Alas have we not heard that before Dave.

Wenger is slightly different though.

The board say that there are a lot of funds but does it include wages? Also how much do we offer for wages at the top end, it seems to stop at £100,000 and contract renewals have to come out of that fund as well. It's all smoke and mirrors. Hopefully we'll see some spending in January.

denphone 13-12-2012 10:08

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35510980)
Wenger is slightly different though.

The board say that there are a lot of funds but does it include wages? Also how much do we offer for wages at the top end, it seems to stop at £100,000 and contract renewals have to come out of that fund as well. It's all smoke and mirrors. Hopefully we'll see some spending in January.

Well looking at my own club in January its seems we are in advanced talks for Daniel Sturridge and Thomas Ince although l wonder why did we let Iince go in the first place still baffles me.

Damien 13-12-2012 10:36

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Another reason why Wenger deserves to be the one that rebuilds Arsenal (other than being the one that had to be there during the debt years) their historical league finishes per season:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/38.png

1997 - Arrival of Wenger
2004 - Arrival of Chelsea

MalteseFalcon 13-12-2012 10:58

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Looking at the graph, Wenger has done well to make them a Top 4 side every season, considering what little money they spend. If this was a club like Swansea or West Brom then they would be getting praise.

Russ 13-12-2012 11:09

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35510948)
Yes fully deserving for a team that has done Wales proud.

In to the quarter finals of the League Cup and a top 8 Premier League team too, our mates down the M4 are hating that :D

Dave42 13-12-2012 11:12

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Chelsea match on BBC HD channel starts 10:15

denphone 13-12-2012 11:43

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35511005)
Chelsea match on BBC HD channel starts 10:15

Thanks Dave for that.:tu:

Damien 13-12-2012 11:45

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Are there any supporters of Arsenal's youth team (otherwise known as Southampton) that can tell us if Luke Shaw is worth the hype?

thenry 13-12-2012 14:29

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35510969)
Not news. More unverified rumours from Twitter.

Aghh I knew it. They just want to write a crisis story. How is it they can have a sports front page based on a quote from someone on TalkSport who has nothing to do with the club! I like the way they've put the quote quite low down because they know it makes the rest of the article rather flimsy.

what about quotes from Tim Payton Damien or are you going to ignore those?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35510980)
Wenger is slightly different though.

The board say that there are a lot of funds but does it include wages? Also how much do we offer for wages at the top end, it seems to stop at £100,000 and contract renewals have to come out of that fund as well. It's all smoke and mirrors. Hopefully we'll see some spending in January.

the board have a duty to monitor the salary and refuse going over the set budget. if Wengers hampered chances of signing players because he banged out 50 odd k to Bendtner and co then thats his problem not the boards.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35510994)
Another reason why Wenger deserves to be the one that rebuilds Arsenal (other than being the one that had to be there during the debt years) their historical league finishes per season:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/38.png

1997 - Arrival of Wenger
2004 - Arrival of Chelsea

hes been given soo much freedom its truly unbelievable considering whats come from it. Tim Payton, from the AST has said it could end messy. Wenger is a dictator, thats fact. Hes lost within his own vision which isnt, hasn't and will not work. just because hes brought stability with regards to finishing in the top 4 doesnt buy him the job forever. in business one man will come along and push the business forward. he'll then leave and another will take it further. dont tell me there is no one because there is.

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35511002)
Looking at the graph, Wenger has done well to make them a Top 4 side every season, considering what little money they spend. If this was a club like Swansea or West Brom then they would be getting praise.

bull! Wenger has money, its been his choice to not spend bringing in more players and instead hiked the wage budget by handing youth mega deals. you cannnot compare Swansea or West Brom to Arsenal.

Damien 13-12-2012 14:54

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511088)
what about quotes from Tim Payton Damien or are you going to ignore those?

No but those do not strengthen the main thrust of the article about the relationship between Wenger and Steve Bould. Having a valid quote that is unrelated to your point doesn't make the point correct.

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the board have a duty to monitor the salary and refuse going over the set budget. if Wengers hampered chances of signing players because he banged out 50 odd k to Bendtner and co then thats his problem not the boards.
The truth is we do not know the exact circumstances around how deals get made. You want to make it out that it's all Wenger because this lets you assign more of the blame to the man and also allows this idea that all we need to do is bring in Guardiola and all will be fine again. It's probably more likely a bit of both. We do know that Dick Law does the contract negations and that Wenger and Gazidis both have a large amount of input upon those agreements.

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hes been given soo much freedom its truly unbelievable considering whats come from it. Tim Payton, from the AST has said it could end messy. Wenger is a dictator, thats fact. Hes lost within his own vision which isnt, hasn't and will not work. just because hes brought stability with regards to finishing in the top 4 doesnt buy him the job forever. in business one man will come along and push the business forwards, he'll then leave and another will take it further. dont tell me there is no one because there is.
Wenger is a dictator, that's a fact? Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pol Pot and Arsene Wenger. Yes, that's a proportional response. Even those who think he should go have nothing but respect for the man and all he has done for the club but you've really laid into him with no respect at all. He is 'pathetic', 'a fool' and now a dictator. When he does leave you're actually going to find yourself isolated because he will be forever remembered as a legend by the vast majority of Arsenal fans and they won't accept such insults against him.

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bull! Wenger has money, its been his choice to not spend bringing in more players and instead hiked the wage budget by handing youth mega deals. you cannnot compare Swansea or West Brom to Arsenal.
Well you can't have it both ways. You compare us to Chelsea and Manchester City who have substantially more money but you won't allow a comparison between clubs with less money?

You're right however. You can't compare Swansea or West Brom to Arsenal. We have a lot more money than them. So where should we finish if we take into account income? 4th. *Looks at graph*. We're finishing exactly where we should.....

thenry 13-12-2012 15:19

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511103)
No but those do not strengthen the main thrust of the article about the relationship between Wenger and Steve Bould. Having a valid quote that is unrelated to your point doesn't make the point correct.

ok fine. what are your views on what these men such as Tim have said?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511103)
The truth is we do not know the exact circumstances around how deals get made. You want to make it out that it's all Wenger because this lets you assign more of the blame to the man and also allows this idea that all we need to do is bring in Guardiola and all will be fine again. It's probably more likely a bit of both. We do know that Dick Law does the contract negations and that Wenger and Gazidis both have a large amount of input upon those agreements.

Its Wengers choice as manager to give the recommendation to hand Bendtner and co a new contract not Law, Ivan or any other senior. It may well be both or all three involved but make no mistake its Wenger whom has the choice to hand them new contracts. So 'x' player gets a new deal, great but whats he offering? isnt it the managers duty to be sure resources are maximized? Not addressing Bendtners playboy attitude etc. letting him wonder heedlessly isnt exactly good management. Go play, express yourself isn't going to work. Just look at Arshavin. Anyway back in the day we had a great spine. those heads wouldnt as a collective unit allow players to toy around. There would be a unity about them and that would be put across to other players.. pull your finger out. Wenger hasnt got that spine no more to fall back on.

So on to Pep, would he give the go ahead to hand players that are taking the pee a new bumper contract? I doubt it very much. he'd be looking to see what 'x' player brings and if it warrants a new contract then fine, if not then they'll be shown the door in favour of 'y' player who'll offer something to our fight.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511103)
Wenger is a dictator, that's a fact? Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pol Pot and Arsene Wenger. Yes, that's a proportional response. Even those who think he should go have nothing but respect for the man and all he has done for the club but you've really laid into him with no respect at all. He is 'pathetic', 'a fool' and now a dictator. When he does leave you're actually going to find yourself isolated because he will be forever remembered as a legend by the vast majority of Arsenal fans and they won't accept such insults against him.

oh here we go, thats right jump the gun Damien. I do respect the man, what hes achieved has been great but I am in no way going to support this decline. thats just blowing smoke and adding fuel to this problem we have. isolated? ye ok just like various people have now finally come to terms it may well end messy but hope it doesn't just like me. if you look through my posts you'll see Ive said just that a while back.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511103)
Well you can't have it both ways. You compare us to Chelsea and Manchester City who have substantially more money but you won't allow a comparison between clubs with less money?

No I've been addressing efficiency. its you that keeps banging the drum of Chelsea and Citys spend.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511103)
You're right however. You can't compare Swansea or West Brom to Arsenal. We have a lot more money than them. So where should we finish if we take into account income? 4th. *Looks at graph*. We're finishing exactly where we should.....

well I dont look at it purely on spend. i look at efficiency too. the reason I said you cant compare us to Swansea and West Brom is because of our honours.

Damien 13-12-2012 15:34

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511111)
ok fine. what are your views on what these men such as Tim have said?

Well it's not too different to what I said a few pages back. We want something to change. I want Wenger to build the next great team of this era.

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Its Wengers choice as manager to give the recommendation to hand Bendtner and co a new contract not Law, Ivan or any other senior. It may well be both or all three involved but make no mistake its Wenger whom has the choice to hand them new contracts. So 'x' player gets a new deal, great but whats he offering? isnt it the managers duty to be sure resources are maximized?
Wenger decides who he wants to keep but no one is too sure on the contract talks. We know Wenger doesn't do them himself. Agents and he himself have said this (said he wasn't directly involved with Walcott). Also 50k isn't that absurd for Bendtner when you consider that the average at a top club is nearing 70k to 100k with top players getting around 200k.

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So on to Pep, would he give the go ahead to hand players that are taking the pee a new bumper contract? I doubt it very much. he'd be looking to see what 'x' player brings and if it warrants a new contract then fine, if not then they'll be shown the door in favour of 'y' player who'll offer something to our fight.
We honestly do not know what Pep would do. He isn't superman though. We have very little to base what he would do on, all that stuff is done by the higher ups at Barcelona and indeed most European clubs. The Director of Football and the President of the club. Also there aren't many examples of him in the transfer market, Barcelona had most of what he needed and he looked to the youth team where he could for new recruits.

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oh here we go, thats right jump the gun Damien. I do respect the man, what hes achieved has been great but I am in no way going to support this decline. thats just blowing smoke and adding fuel to this problem we have. isolated? ye ok just like various people have now finally come to terms it may well end messy but hope it doesn't just like me. if you look through my posts you'll see Ive said just that a while back.
You have indeed described him as a Dictator, Pathetic and a fool. Don't post such things and then protest when they're credited to you. Stand by your posts or don't make them. You say you respect him but the tone and language you use are not those of respect. You don't call him you respect a Dictator or pathetic. You describe pretty much everything he does as crap or a joke. It's one thing to say he is no longer equipped to deal with modern football but you respect the man and all he has done, it's another to relentlessly describe him in such brutal terms.

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well I dont look at it purely on spend. i look at efficiency too. the reason I said you cant compare us to Swansea and West Brom is because of our honours.
Well let's compare ourselves to Liverpool or Leeds then? Efficiency is entirely subjective and you use it because the actual league positions vs spend or even league positions vs income is actually make a pretty good case for Wenger. If we looked at what he has actually done then it's hard to make the case that he needs to go. If we say 'well actually it's not efficient and he should do much better' then you can say what you want. It's entirely subjective.

nstokes 13-12-2012 15:34

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This is stupid. He should of been punished

No action over Stamford Bridge 'monkey gesture'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20715706

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 15:41

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Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35511123)
This is stupid. He should of been punished

No action over Stamford Bridge 'monkey gesture'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20715706

Ever since that Uruguayan bloke turned up in England it's been a common thing to see racial abuse reported in the news on a weekly basis.

Maybe they can revoke his passport the next time he's playing away in Europe.

I suppose they also think they'll get away with it if they blag a judge about how he was just repeating what he saw/heard.

nstokes 13-12-2012 15:45

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511130)
Ever since that Uruguayan bloke turned up in England it's been a common thing to see racial abuse reported in the news on a weekly basis.

Maybe they can revoke his passport the next time he's playing away in Europe.

You mean Surez?

He has had is punishment and has moved on. Other people should as well. He cant be fault for other peoples actions

thenry 13-12-2012 15:53

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511122)
Well it's not too different to what I said a few pages back. We want something to change. I want Wenger to build the next great team of this era.

yup we all do but my reality view of it is it wont happen. ive lost faith in him. hes just way too hellbent trying to prove his vision thats flawed.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511122)
Wenger decides who he wants to keep but no one is too sure on the contract talks. We know Wenger doesn't do them himself. Agents and he himself have said this (said he wasn't directly involved with Walcott). Also 50k isn't that absurd for Bendtner when you consider that the average at a top club is nearing 70k to 100k with top players getting around 200k.

50k isnt absurd at a club such as Arsenal agreed. it is however absurd to hand such a vast amount to someone thats just taking the pee. may be its a growing up, maturing thing yet this whole Bendtner case has left me little to look to as a positive. hes gone from taking the pee thinking hes Gods gift to this world to slating this club. much much worse than me slating Wenger. This club is bigger than everyone.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511122)
We honestly do not know what Pep would do. He isn't superman though. We have very little to base what he would do on, all that stuff is done by the higher ups at Barcelona and indeed most European clubs. The Director of Football and the President of the club. Also there aren't many examples of him in the transfer market, Barcelona had most of what he needed and he looked to the youth team where he could for new recruits.

its a different challenge.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511122)
You have indeed described him as a Dictator, Pathetic and a fool. Don't post such things and then protest when they're credited to you. Stand by your posts or don't make them. You say you respect him but the tone and language you use are not those of respect. You don't call him you respect a Dictator or pathetic. You describe pretty much everything he does as crap or a joke. It's one thing to say he is no longer equipped to deal with modern football but you respect the man and all he has done, it's another to relentlessly describe him in such brutal terms.

protest? I said a while back I hope he turns it around but I just cant see it happening. he is a fool for the clear mistakes hes making. hes pathetic for trying to fool us with some of the crap hes said over the years. hes a dictator because well he is. its his way or no way.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511122)
Well let's compare ourselves to Liverpool or Leeds then? Efficiency is entirely subjective and you use it because the actual league positions vs spend or even league positions vs income is actually make a pretty good case for Wenger. If we looked at what he has actually done then it's hard to make the case that he needs to go. If we say 'well actually it's not efficient and he should do much better' then you can say what you want. It's entirely subjective.

actually no. look at the vast amount of money being wasted and look at the amount useful in terms of wage spend on players offering something. like i said a while back, what if we had the other half performing last year? would we of finished 3rd or higher?

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 15:55

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Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35511135)
You mean Surez?

He has had is punishment and has moved on. Other people should as well. He cant be fault for other peoples actions

His actions cause a chain-reaction along with the idiot Kenny Dalglish defending him & John Terry, Now every idiot fan assumes they too will get away scot free and it's become a weekly thing in the PremierLeague, Something that was not heavily reported on before this guy made an arse of himself.

As for punishment, I run down the street making racist gestures at people, I don't get a few games away from football and still get paid, I get arrested, I likely lose my job and so on.

So that leads to the next thing then. This fan gets away scot free..why? Because it's hard to punish this guy with legal action when two high profile footballers merely received a vacation from the sport.

thenry 13-12-2012 16:02

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Terry lost personal sponsor deals Adz. but I do agree these clubs going all out to defend players have opened up a dark place which is filling up with nutters

nstokes 13-12-2012 16:05

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511144)
His actions cause a chain-reaction along with the idiot Kenny Dalglish defending him & John Terry, Now every idiot fan assumes they too will get away scot free and it's become a weekly thing in the PremierLeague, Something that was not heavily reported on before this guy made an arse of himself.

As for punishment, I run down the street making racist gestures at people, I don't get a few games away from football and still get paid, I get arrested, I likely lose my job and so on.

So that leads to the next thing then. This fan gets away scot free..why? Because it's hard to punish this guy with legal action when two high profile footballers merely received a vacation from the sport.

I agree with you. Footballers should be treated like us normal people. If they are guilty of racism they should sacked from the club and be given a criminal record like you or me if it was us.

Footballers get away with MOST things and are treated very different. Just because they play football doesnt mean there punishments should be different.

People that cause issues at grounds like coin throwing, racist chants or violence should be banned and given a criminal record

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511150)
Terry lost personal sponsor deals Adz. but I do agree these clubs going all to defend players have opened up a dark place which in filling up with nutters

He lost Ad deals yes but i still think its wrong he only got a 4 game ban but Sureaz got 8 for a racial offence.

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:06

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511150)
Terry lost personal sponsor deals Adz. but I do agree these clubs going all to defend players have opened up a dark place which in filling up with nutters

:D My heart bleeds for the guy, shame it didn't burn too much of a hole in his gigantic pocket.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...incidents.html

Every week without fail now.


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He lost Ad deals yes but i still think its wrong he only got a 4 game ban but Sureaz got 8 for a racial offence.
He's English though, FA were bound to show favoritism

nstokes 13-12-2012 16:08

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511155)
:D My heart bleeds for the guy, shame it didn't burn too much of a hole in his gigantic pocket.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...incidents.html

Every week without fail now.

The fine would have been like pocket change for the amount he has in his bank account.

I would have been like going to Roman and asking to borrow £10

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:14

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Clubs are backing standing grounds in the English game. Think Villa were the only EPL club to back it.

Seems English football is heading back to the 80's :dunce:

I don't know about any other clubs but if our fans want to stand they all get together on a forum and sort their season tickets out so they are all near each other and at the back of the stand. They do this all season long and stand up without issue.

Julian 13-12-2012 16:17

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511021)
Are there any supporters of Arsenal's youth team (otherwise known as Southampton) that can tell us if Luke Shaw is worth the hype?

You know us. Would we breed bad stock?

Anyway get your feeelthy hands off our boys!

And no, we don't need Theo in part-ex either. ;)

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:19

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With the way Damien talks about Arsenal's wage structure I get relieved knowing Demba Ba won't be going to Arsenal in January :hyper:

thenry 13-12-2012 16:21

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I don't want Ba to be honest. I'd rather go for Huntelaar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511159)
Clubs are backing standing grounds in the English game. Think Villa were the only EPL club to back it.

Seems English football is heading back to the 80's :dunce:

I don't know about any other clubs but if our fans want to stand they all get together on a forum and sort their season tickets out so they are all near each other and at the back of the stand. They do this all season long and stand up without issue.

Arsenal back it too. a standing area that is not all out standing everywhere

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:26

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511163)
I don't want Ba to be honest. I'd rather go for Huntelaar.



Arsenal back it too. a standing area that is not all out standing everywhere

I could see it at Highbury but at the Emirates, well it's a state of the art stadium, would look silly with a standing area :p:

I like it how it is, If people want to stand and have a standing area (seated but not using the seats) that's fine. I remember why the all seater stadium rule was applied in the first place. I've stood with the supporters that generally stand at Newcastle games and I feel comfortable because of the room causes by the rows of seats, no pushing, shoving or any of that.

thenry 13-12-2012 16:27

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I wouldn't want to stand. I sit here so I don't care...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/20.jpg

:D :o:

Dave42 13-12-2012 16:28

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511162)
With the way Damien talks about Arsenal's wage structure I get relieved knowing Demba Ba won't be going to Arsenal in January :hyper:

well he might not go to Arsenal but he sure be away in January then you be struggling to score as he only one scoring for you at moment

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:38

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35511168)
well he might not go to Arsenal but he sure be away in January then you be struggling to score as he only one scoring for you at moment

Been over why Demba Ba isn't as easy as paying £7.5m If it was he'd have been gone in the summer and you wouldn't have spent £12m on Fletcher.

If someone has over £30 million to commit to the signing of Demba Ba then go for it, as well as getting past his agent's clauses and his knee clauses that are now virtually impossible since he has goal scoring leverage, basically Newcastle insured themselves against his sudden retirement (Knee) something other clubs won't be able to do now that he's proven himself.

We'll be busy in the transfer market I believe come January, if someone does get through the hoops to Demba then we'll simply sign another striker. Oh and hope Demba then goes on to retire the following game. The only team I believe will jump through all of those hoops are Liverpool because they'll happily pay his ridiculous wage demands, agent fee's and give him all the clauses he want's and not protect themselves :D

nstokes 13-12-2012 16:39

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
They should have never sold RVP. Glad you did thou, was worth every penny :D

Damien 13-12-2012 16:40

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511162)
With the way Damien talks about Arsenal's wage structure I get relieved knowing Demba Ba won't be going to Arsenal in January :hyper:

Huh? Which part? I've said we don't/can't really go over 100k. We were willing to break that for RVP up to £120,000ish. Ba wouldn't be anywhere near 100k.

Although I don't see us going for Ba giving the injury record. Now, Cabaye on the other hand...:D

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:41

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35511174)
They should have never sold RVP. Glad you did thou, was worth every penny :D

RVP bent them over a ledge though, was basically sell up then or get nothing for him and watch him walk away the following year.

Quote:

Ba wouldn't be anywhere near 100k
Demba Ba want's double what he earns at present to terminate the clauses in his contract, He currently earns £40,000 a week thus making his demands £80,000 a week and that's from Newcastle.. what do you think he'd want from you lot lol?

As for Cabaye, well if you have £30 odd million to play with, Mike Ashley has a Cabaye.

thenry 13-12-2012 16:42

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511175)
Huh? Which part? I've said we don't/can't really go over 100k. We were willing to break that for RVP up to £120,000ish. Ba wouldn't be anywhere near 100k.

Although I don't see us going for Ba giving the injury record. Now, Cabaye on the other hand...:D

we can put a few players on 100k now the new Emirates deal has come through. Ivan even said as well as clearing up the wage bill that we would be competing on the wage front more with the new sponsor deals. not all out competing but a lot closer.

Damien 13-12-2012 16:48

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511176)
RVP bent them over a ledge though, was basically sell up then or get nothing for him and watch him walk away the following year.

Well it was a gamble really. We were going to lose him on a free so the question was threefold: 1) Would it be disruptive to keep him? 2) What if he got injured or lost form? 3) Would it be better to get the money instead?

In retrospect it was a mistake to sell him. However if he lost form or got injured then it would have been genius to sell him. Look at Nasri, great deal for us there. RVP? Not so much.


Quote:

Demba Ba want's double what he earns at present to terminate the clauses in his contract, He currently earns £40,000 a week thus making his demands £80,000 a week and that's from Newcastle.. what do you think he'd want from you lot lol?
That's insane. £80,000? Not going to happen from Arsenal or Newcastle. His form this season doesn't even merit it and then there is that injury record. :erm:

Quote:

As for Cabaye, well if you have £30 odd million to play with, Mike Ashley has a Cabaye.
Meh. £12 million or so. Never really great trying to but players from English clubs.

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:52

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35511179)
Well it was a gamble really. We were going to lose him on a free so the question was threefold: 1) Would it be disruptive to keep him? 2) What if he got injured or lost form? 3) Would it be better to get the money instead?

In retrospect it was a mistake to sell him. However if he lost form or got injured then it would have been genius to sell him. Look at Nasri, great deal for us there. RVP? Not so much.




That's insane. £80,000? Not going to happen from Arsenal or Newcastle. His form this season doesn't even merit it and then there is that injury record. :erm:



Meh. £12 million or so. Never really great trying to but players from English clubs.


Mike Ashley is as greedy as they come, He might flog you a Shola for £12 million. Almost £11 million pounds more than he's worth! The Sports Direct rip off eh.

thenry 13-12-2012 16:54

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
theres always Marouane Fellaini or Lidl instead. Wenger will go for Etienne Capoue

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 16:59

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511185)
theres always Marouane Fellaini or Lidl instead. Wenger will go for Etienne Capoue

Wenger shops in Lidl? :shocked:

Arthurgray50@blu 13-12-2012 17:02

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
From a football point of view Arsenal have to sack Wenger, the board surely cannot allow things to go on as they are.

So in the January sale Arsenal could buy more players, l cannot see that happening, in the Summer Wenger had the oppotunity to buy players but he says ' I am happy with what l have'

I think l will wait to see if Man Utd come in and try buy Walcott, and l think he will leave.

Arsenal have lost the bottle and it needs a new manager - now.

denphone 13-12-2012 17:05

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511185)
theres always Marouane Fellaini or Lidl instead. Wenger will go for Etienne Capoue

Fellaini now he is a good player.:tu:

adzii_nufc 13-12-2012 17:25

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Arshavin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO3TJEseWAQ

denphone 13-12-2012 17:27

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
A first season wonder but a has-been now.

thenry 13-12-2012 17:38

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
nope. just mismanaged.

denphone 13-12-2012 17:40

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511211)
nope. just mismanaged.

l have to disagree on that thenry.:nono:

thenry 13-12-2012 17:45

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35511212)
l have to disagree on that thenry.:nono:

the team got weighed into by Wenger at HT which resulted in this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRGMvBY5J_M

denphone 13-12-2012 17:47

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35511214)
the team got weighed into by Wenger at HT which resulted in this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRGMvBY5J_M

But in the last couple of years Arshavin has as a player has become a lazy so and so and a shadow of his former self.

nstokes 13-12-2012 17:51

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35511215)
But in the last couple of years Arshavin has as a player has become a lazy so and so and a shadow of his former self.

I agree. He is over rated

thenry 13-12-2012 18:56

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
its way to easy to just say hes over rated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35511215)
But in the last couple of years Arshavin has as a player has become a lazy so and so and a shadow of his former self.

agreed and thats mismanagement. he doesnt respond to Wengers methods so too a lot of others. hes just a name on a list Den. why does he wake up when under the national coach who doesnt take half arsed ways plus the Russians play him to his strengths.

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Damien did you read this piece today > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...miliation.html

---------- Post added at 17:51 ---------- Previous post was at 17:39 ----------

Ivan: RVP and Kagawa didnt go to Utd for higher wages. They were offered more elsewhere. Utd have a decent weapon which is their brand. Kagawa picked up 4-5 big personal sponsor deals so wage Utd offered balanced out. players look at overall deal from club and personal endorsements. Utd can offer overall enhancement on 'x' player.

this is why ive banged on about 08 when we had so much light on us. our brand was enhanced and the ball was in our court. this is why i get vexed and call Wenger a fool, pathetic, lost, dictator! all we needed was a player or two but Arsene Wenger declined and followed his own way and look where its got us. circle of frustration! before Damien says well Utd are a massive brand end of! yes thats true but does that mean we cant get close? im fighting for our brand to be enhanced! that will bring everything together.

---------- Post added at 17:56 ---------- Previous post was at 17:51 ----------

Ivan: this summer will see a lot going out the door clearing the wage bill. the summer will see a new 'outlook' on player contracts.

denphone 13-12-2012 19:40

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Steven Caulker and Thomas Ince banned after Serbia fracas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20718693

thenry 13-12-2012 20:11

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
For those of you that don't know Lady Nina, she sold her shares to Stan. She was part of Arsenals board. She got thrown out for meeting with Usmanovs people.

open links to read conversations...

Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
@GuevaraLeGunner disappointed would be an understatement! Shows he cares very little. Why he wanted to be part of AFC I do not know.
1:08 a.m. Fri, Dec 14
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...8179491840?p=v
Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
If making money was the motivating factor, surely there are better ways. Football is a business of passion and SK has no passion for AFC.
6:13 p.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...3337440257?p=p
Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
@dwebdxb because I was forced out and I got fed up. No outside support.
6:21 p.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...4854919169?p=v
Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
I was getting my handbag checked by security staff. As an ex director and a member of the Bracewell-Smith family I felt so disrespected.
10:26 a.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...1600277504?p=v
Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
@DarrenArsenal1 no allocated seats, just random. It is deliberate. Made to feel like an outsider. SK is the new boss you see.
6:29 p.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...3487704064?p=v


---------- Post added at 19:11 ---------- Previous post was at 18:51 ----------

getting a little nasty as it does with Lady Nina being shafted...

Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
Tim Payton is such a ridiculous man. Makes random statements that are beyond belief. Hated AU with a passion.
6:37 p.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...7135007744?p=p
Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
@timpayton i pay much more tax then you ever did or will. Now i am blocking you.
7:03 p.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...5375143938?p=p
Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
RT @rav_joshi: has only confirmed we all know about Stan K..i think she was sold into an idea that he was this passionate sports investor
3:21 p.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...3896674304?p=p
Quote:

Nina Bracewell-Smith @NinaBracewell
@NataliaWT7 I have acknowledged my mistake and deeply regret.
3:27 p.m. Thu, Dec 13
https://www.twitter.com/NinaBracewel...9687241729?p=v

thenry 14-12-2012 01:23

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Arsenal's second-largest shareholder Alisher Usmanov calls for the return of Thierry Henry in a non-playing role

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ying-role.html

i cant say i disagree

---------- Post added at 00:23 ---------- Previous post was at 00:15 ----------

Vertonghen: Arsenal wanted me as a midfielder

www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/183754.html

shame.

adzii_nufc 14-12-2012 09:58

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Newcastle expected transfers in January (More likely than rumours)

Moussa Sissoko - Free (Pre Contract- can't join till Summer window)

Mathieu Debuchy.

Rumours:

Loic Remy - OM Newcastle apparently will meet OM's asking price if Ba goes.
Jermain Lens - PSV
Modou Sougou - CFR Cluj
Raoul Loe - Real Osasuna
Artem Milevskiy - Dynamo Kiev
Adam Lallana - Southampton.

Rumoured outgoing:

Demba Ba - Everywhere (For reasons I've already been over, Don't expect much of this)

Cheick Tiote - Chelsea

nstokes 14-12-2012 18:27

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Theo Walcott talks to go into new year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20732920

denphone 14-12-2012 18:39

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35511801)
Theo Walcott talks to go into new year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20732920

l still expect him to go.

thenry 14-12-2012 18:47

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
yup. hes going.

Huntelaars agent has spoken of his interest in joining Inter..

http://metro.co.uk/2012/12/13/klass-...trending-link2

may have something to prove in Italy having not had the best of periods at AC. also drives up his wage demands. more interest blah blah.

adzii_nufc 14-12-2012 19:30

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
If you can get Olivier Giroud firing you won't need Mr Walcott.

Although I'd like to see Arsenal collect the cash from Theo and use some of the funds in January towards an expensive Striker.

Dzeko?
Gomez?

thenry 14-12-2012 19:35

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Theo adds pace Adz. That was missed when he was frozen out. We'll need pace and someone with decent ball retention.

denphone 14-12-2012 20:30

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Man City announce losses.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...nnounce-losses

Perhaps our fabled Colin could lend them a few quid.:D

Julian 14-12-2012 21:52

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35511581)
Newcastle expected transfers in January (More likely than rumours)

Moussa Sissoko - Free (Pre Contract- can't join till Summer window)

Mathieu Debuchy.

Rumours:

Loic Remy - OM Newcastle apparently will meet OM's asking price if Ba goes.
Jermain Lens - PSV
Modou Sougou - CFR Cluj
Raoul Loe - Real Osasuna
Artem Milevskiy - Dynamo Kiev
Adam Lallana - Southampton.

Rumoured outgoing:

Demba Ba - Everywhere (For reasons I've already been over, Don't expect much of this)

Cheick Tiote - Chelsea


Dream on Adz. :)

Cobbydaler 14-12-2012 21:58

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35511963)
Dream on Adz. :)

You know we only sell to that other club...

thenry 14-12-2012 22:29

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
:D

thenry 15-12-2012 03:47

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Arsene Wengers Press Conference (14/12/2012) > http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...e-full-1489566

how many times is there going to be a rebuild having lost stars due to the fact you neglect the squad by not adding that extra 1-2 player?

circles of frustration.

nstokes 15-12-2012 10:44

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
If Arsenal get a bad result this weekend do you think Arsene will be thee much longer?

denphone 15-12-2012 10:50

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35512098)
If Arsenal get a bad result this weekend do you think Arsene will be thee much longer?

In my humble opinion if they make a change its likely to be at the end of the season now.

nstokes 15-12-2012 11:05

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35512104)
In my humble opinion if they make a change its likely to be at the end of the season now.

I think your right

thenry 15-12-2012 13:07

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Wright outspoken as ever > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpfRN...e_gdata_player

denphone 15-12-2012 13:14

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35512171)

A great goalscorer for Arsenal but he is a bit of a loudmouth with regards to his media rants.

thenry 15-12-2012 13:17

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
he does say some stupid things but someone has to be outspoken Den. the others wont because they fear being shafted by the club. Wright doesnt care, he'll still turn up and tell them whats what to their face.

nstokes 15-12-2012 13:23

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I agree with what Ian says

thenry 15-12-2012 13:28

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
SAF plans on converting Jones into midfielder - Theo was in Manchester last weekend for the xfactor final - Fulham investigate Derek Boateng's contract 'annullment'

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3774/...-ferguson-into

nstokes 15-12-2012 13:56

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Newcastle 0-1 Man City

denphone 15-12-2012 13:56

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Things not going well for Newcastle in the early kick off.

nstokes 15-12-2012 14:02

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35512223)
Things not going well for Newcastle in the early kick off.

Nope

thenry 15-12-2012 14:07

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
they started well..

colin25 15-12-2012 14:13

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I don't think Man city are playing well. Newcastle might want to watch out, bottom isn't that far away. (or second bottom, QPR seem to like bottom :))

nstokes 15-12-2012 14:24

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Newcastle 0-2 Man City

thenry 15-12-2012 14:28

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
yes we know. we're watching too.

theres a few weak links in Toon Army. has Anita is it? come along since his early days?

denphone 15-12-2012 14:38

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Well if Newcastle keep playing like this then Pardew is in trouble.

colin25 15-12-2012 14:50

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35512248)
Well if Newcastle keep playing like this then Pardew is in trouble.

I don't think so..8 year contract, unlikely to be dumped.

I wonder if Mike ashley is even worried. He could just sell players, make some money, and try and flog the club

nstokes 15-12-2012 14:56

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35512242)
yes we know. we're watching too.

theres a few weak links in Toon Army. has Anita is it? come along since his early days?

I am posting for the people they are unable to watch it for what ever reason. BBC site is far too slow with updates

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35512248)
Well if Newcastle keep playing like this then Pardew is in trouble.

He wont be, not yet

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35512255)
I don't think so..8 year contract, unlikely to be dumped.

I wonder if Mike ashley is even worried. He could just sell players, make some money, and try and flog the club

I agree

---------- Post added at 13:56 ---------- Previous post was at 13:54 ----------

Newcastle 1-2 Man City

denphone 15-12-2012 14:56

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Newcastle have pulled one back.

nstokes 15-12-2012 15:22

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
It should have been 2-2 but sadly not yet

---------- Post added at 14:22 ---------- Previous post was at 13:59 ----------

Newcastle 1-3 Man City - Yaya Toure

denphone 15-12-2012 15:22

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
All over now for Newcastle.

colin25 15-12-2012 15:24

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35512263)
It should have been 2-2 but sadly not yet

---------- Post added at 14:22 ---------- Previous post was at 13:59 ----------

Newcastle 1-3 Man City - Yaya Toure

Yes, I think 2-2 is unlikely now

Man City haven't been good. Newcastle seem to be off the pace, which is strange for a newcastle team playing at home

nstokes 15-12-2012 15:27

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35512273)
All over now for Newcastle.

Yep

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35512276)
Yes, I think 2-2 is unlikely now

Man City haven't been good. Newcastle seem to be off the pace, which is strange for a newcastle team playing at home

At times Newcastle were playing great

denphone 15-12-2012 15:29

Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35512276)
Yes, I think 2-2 is unlikely now

Man City haven't been good. Newcastle seem to be off the pace, which is strange for a newcastle team playing at home

The thing with Newcastle is compared to last season's over achievement this season is looking more like the inconsistent Newcastle of old.


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