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danielf 14-03-2004 22:07
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
I wonder what the security forces deem to be likely targets (I mean ones which they don't already have inteligence on the likelyhood)

If I was a terrorist and really wanted to strike fear into a nation, I'd target out of the way villages with huge explosives.
How the heck can the forces protect against something like that?
I suppose it would be more difficult to hide. But also, it seems they are after claiming huge amounts of casualties. This would be more difficult in a village compared to a train station.

Xaccers 14-03-2004 22:09
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Originally Posted by danielf
I might be misreading here, but are you suggesting Al Qaeda do not plan there attacks well? It seems to me that you need to be pretty well organised to pull off something like 9/11.
Well they did screw up (thankfully) using swiss anonymised sim cards in their mobile phones in pak.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/36060.html

danielf 14-03-2004 22:19
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Well they did screw up (thankfully) using swiss anonymised sim cards in their mobile phones in pak.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/36060.html
Yes, I read about that. But still, to call an organisation that pulls off something like 9/11 and has its leader evade capture for 2.5 years unorganised seems a little odd to me.

Xaccers 14-03-2004 22:22
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Originally Posted by danielf
Yes, I read about that. But still, to call an organisation that pulls off something like 9/11 and has its leader evade capture for 2.5 years unorganised seems a little odd to me.
Yup.

BBKing 14-03-2004 22:27
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In France, which has combated Islamic terrorism for years, an intelligence official said the name al Afghani is likely a pseudonym. The name al Afghani could mean the person is of Afghan origin or has some association with the country.
Gosh, you mean a terrorist might use a pseudonym in a videotaped message? But, like, that'll make it harder for us to find them.

What are Fox on? Thicko drugs?

El Diablo 15-03-2004 00:46
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Originally Posted by stuartbe
I am not convinced it is them.. Dont they usualy use suicide bombers.. This attack was well planned - Does not seem to be alcieda's style...
So, you rule out Al-Qaeda on the basis that this time, they didn't use suicide bombers? Pathetic.... The common mis-understanding that all islamic militants use suicidal tactics shows blatant naivety amongst those that fail to understand. Just because such organisations will go as far as to take their own lives alongside those of their victims, doesn't mean that that is the preferable method of completing such actions. Do they not value life too? I don't want to sound as though I'm from 'the other side', but your comment is completely unfounded and just goes to highlight the complexity of the issue. Do you know that the person(s) that planted the bomb[s] wasn't on the train at the time of detonation? So many of them were too hard to identify that who could tell? And to infer that Al-Qaeda are not capable of 'well planned' attacks, well, where were you on September 11? Was that not well planned? How else do you think they hijacked the F****** planes and did what they did... ???

Maybe if you thought about some of your posts a little more, you would not have posted quite so many.

:banghead: :******:

aliferste 15-03-2004 01:06
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I just cant help but feel that mainland UK has been outstandingly lucky so far. I cant help but think something will happen here soon :(

Xaccers 15-03-2004 01:08
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Was that attack on stuart really necessary? :( :td:

Xaccers 15-03-2004 01:10
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Originally Posted by aliferste
I just cant help but feel that mainland UK has been outstandingly lucky so far. I cant help but think something will happen here soon :(
Well, we've had several attacks, thankfully all thwarted.
But while the security forces have to be lucky every time, the terrorists only need to be lucky once.

Stuartbe 15-03-2004 07:34
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
So, you rule out Al-Qaeda on the basis that this time, they didn't use suicide bombers? Pathetic.... The common mis-understanding that all islamic militants use suicidal tactics shows blatant naivety amongst those that fail to understand. Just because such organisations will go as far as to take their own lives alongside those of their victims, doesn't mean that that is the preferable method of completing such actions. Do they not value life too? I don't want to sound as though I'm from 'the other side', but your comment is completely unfounded and just goes to highlight the complexity of the issue. Do you know that the person(s) that planted the bomb[s] wasn't on the train at the time of detonation? So many of them were too hard to identify that who could tell? And to infer that Al-Qaeda are not capable of 'well planned' attacks, well, where were you on September 11? Was that not well planned? How else do you think they hijacked the F****** planes and did what they did... ???

Maybe if you thought about some of your posts a little more, you would not have posted quite so many.

:banghead: :******:
Thanks for that... Sorry for expresing an opinion :(

I am not an expert in terorist bombing - you on the other hand obviosly are !

I stated that I did not think this was there style for a reason. Can you fill me in on when Al-Qaeda last used remote detonation on 10 devices at the same time ????

If you disagree then fine - but there is no reason to call me a :******: is there !!!

GROW UP ! and learn to respect other peoples opinions - if you disagree then fine. Argue your point and I will respect that. Trying to attack me personaly will not give weight to your argument !

Neil 15-03-2004 07:57
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Peeps-this was always going to be an emotive subject, that will need sensible discussion, combined with thoughtful/respectful posts.

Please, let's not attack each other in here, there's enough of that going on round the world right now. :(

Pierre 15-03-2004 08:23
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I stated that I did not think this was there style for a reason. Can you fill me in on when Al-Qaeda last used remote detonation on 10 devices at the same time ????
It has been more or less confirmed today that it is an Al-Qaeda attack. A morrocan with Al-Qaeda links has been arrested, and a mobile telephone that was taken from one of the diffused devices has numbers of known Al-Qaeda cells on it.

Ramrod 15-03-2004 08:30
Re: Madrid Bomb Blast
 
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
So, you rule out Al-Qaeda on the basis that this time, they didn't use suicide bombers? Pathetic.... -snip-Maybe if you thought about some of your posts a little more, you would not have posted quite so many.

:banghead: :******:
:erm: Steady on.... :(



A good comment here
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In Russia and China, the two great Communist powers of the period of the Cold War, the implications have immediately been understood. Their governments know that this is a threat to them as much as to the United States. Neither government would even play with the idea of helping a radical Islamic movement to defeat the Americans. It would be too dangerous for them.

It is only in Europe that a self-defeating anti-Americanism is to be found. In every European country there are many people who think that they can afford the luxury of a carping hostility to American power. They are the useful idiots in Osama bin Ladenââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s camp, who do not agree with a single proposition of his fanatical ideology, but enjoy the privilege of undermining the United States by little sneers, as though they were too civilised to support these uncouth Yankees. They are talking about the one nation strong enough to fight for our societies.

Pierre 15-03-2004 12:49
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And the spanish people have reacted to this by voting out the government who in their opinion made them a target to al-qaeda.

However, what people must understand is that any western government is a target of al-qaeda. Any non-islamic regime is a target of al-qaeda.

Which is why they must be stopped. We can't bury our heads in the sand and believe that if we didn't side with america we wouldn't be a target, because that is simply not the case.

The world needs to wake up to the fact that this particular brand of islamic fundamentalism and fanaticism can not be negotiated with. They understand only way to achieve their objectives and that is through terror and violence, and as much as it may repulse some people that is the way we may have to respond ourselves to protect our way of life.

They are right when they call this the war on terror because it is a war. If you are unsure about al-qaedas beliefs, aims and methods to achieve these aims just take a look at this:

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm

zendawn 15-03-2004 12:58
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Hay guys, feel free to use my forum (link in sig) to express your opinions on terrorism etc. Be as opinionated as you want. The only rule is, there are no rules.

:D


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