Re: 10MB from newsgroups ... how ??
 

Amsterdam Giganews goes straight from there servers to the ntl network, I don't know where you are looking? :D

1 216-196-110-1.ams.giganews.com (216.196.110.1) 2 ms 0 ms 0 ms
2 amst-ic-1.inet.ntl.com (195.69.144.40) 195 ms 194 ms 194 ms

Re: 10MB from newsgroups ... how ??
 

jtwn how many routes did you check?

it doesnt go direct to every part of the ntl network.

I will give you a clue for a part of the midlands it uses telia.

that 194ms looks a tad congested :(

Re: 10MB from newsgroups ... how ??
 

Well I've tried a proxy from all the midlandish places and its the same for all of them, it wouldn't make any sense not to so you must be looking at traces to the US Giganews servers not the Euro ones - the ones that if you try and connect to you get diverted to the Euro ones anyway.

As for the pings, latency is pretty much irrelevant as usenet goes, if the speeds get through, who gives a toss what the ICMP priority is.

Re: 10MB from newsgroups ... how ??
 

thats the point the speeds arent going through hence people complaining.

If the ms figures drop after that 2nd hop then fair enough but you decided for whatever reason to only post 2 hops so I dont know that.

If all the routes are the same then thats a recent change on ntl's network since that didnt used to be the case one month ago.

Re: 10MB from newsgroups ... how ??
 

Giganews was awful through an NTL connection until pretty recently, Giganews support told me they had received many complaints and they had tried to contact NTL to sort it out, but they were ignored (what a surprise, still its good to see they ignore everyone equally)
I posted as such in an earlier thread about poor routing.

It does seem to have improved a lot here though, although of course your mileage may vary :)