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thenry

02-08-2025 16:36

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36200291)

I've no idea if I'm a Right Winger or a Left Winger, what are the characteristics I should look for in order to be assigned a label?

I'd say angry right wing and wishful thinking left wing :LOL:

Carth

02-08-2025 16:47

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36200293)

I'd say angry right wing and wishful thinking left wing :LOL:

I'm a grumpy old man that shakes his fist at clouds, I think 'angry' is a given :D

Damien

02-08-2025 17:59

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36200291)

I've no idea if I'm a Right Winger or a Left Winger, what are the characteristics I should look for in order to be assigned a label?

Left Wing = Support a bigger state, more government intervention and maybe more socially progressive.

Right Wing = Support a smaller state, less government intervention and maybe less socially progressive.

Although it's not that simple. I.E Old Labour tended to be less socially progressive but supported a bigger state. Some people on the populist right also think that way now. You also get people who want a much smaller state and are socially progressive in that the government shouldn't get involved in the personal lives of anyone.

Carth

02-08-2025 18:22

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right . . .

so what does 'support a smaller/bigger state mean exactly?

Are we about to dump Scotland and Wales, or take over the whole of Ireland?

Please also explain 'Socially Progressive' too, because for years I've just seen society go backwards.

I'm wondering if the Raving Looneys are the party for me, are they Left, Right, or out of this World? :D

Chris

02-08-2025 18:45

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36200297)

right . . .

so what does 'support a smaller/bigger state mean exactly?

Are we about to dump Scotland and Wales, or take over the whole of Ireland?

It means the extent to which the State regulates/owns infrastructure and services, not the number of square miles under government control.

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Please also explain 'Socially Progressive' too, because for years I've just seen society go backwards.

I'm wondering if the Raving Looneys are the party for me, are they Left, Right, or out of this World? :D

Socially progressive is supposed to mean advocating for social justice, equality and civil rights. Whether it actually achieves any of that is debatable.

Sephiroth

02-08-2025 20:19

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36200296)

LEFT = Support a bigger state, more government intervention and maybe more socially progressive. (As per Damien's Left Wing).

LEFT WING = LEFT + nationalise what you can; maximal governmental intervention; include migration within socially progressive policies; totally screw the rich (whoever that is defined as being). Oh - gas the Tories

RIGHT = Support a smaller state, less government intervention and maybe less socially progressive. (As per Damien's Right Wing).

RIGHT WING = ???? It's certainly not going to be RIGHT+. According to Starmer, it's anyone who supports demonstrations against the Connolly woman who tweeted something deemed to be racist in the heat of her distraught moment after the Southport murders. Even @Russ has a difficulty defining "right wing".

Russ	02-08-2025 20:22

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lol you wish

Sephiroth

02-08-2025 21:54

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36200304)

lol you wish

What's your definition of "right wing"?

Paul	02-08-2025 22:14

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The wing on the right.

1andrew1

02-08-2025 22:51

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36200270)

But at least GBNews has the guts to invite people from opposing political views to join in their debates.

Lol :D

Is 'Any Questions' on GB News?

How many Labour or Liberal Democrat presenters are there on GB News?

Hugh	03-08-2025 08:07

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36200305)

What's your definition of "right wing"?

As Chris posted in October ‘22, the second-last time you raised this subject

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36136129)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
We seem to understand what "lefties" means, but "right wing" needs more definition. In my lifetime, it meant fascism.

The Political Compass remains one of the best resources for teasing out these definitions. This is their exapliner, well worth 5 minutes of your time:

Long story short, if you try to describe economic and social politics in terms of “left” and “right” simultaneously you will come unstuck. You need to define someone’s position as economically left or right and socially authoritarian or libertarian. And one position by no means pre-ordains the other.

Their website is here: https://www.politicalcompass.org/

And your result was

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1665073627

Sephiroth

03-08-2025 08:43

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I'm trying to get Russ to define "right wing", which is a term he used in relation to GB News. He framed a question around that so, before I can answer him properly, I need to know what he means by "right wing". Russ has avoided obliging me with his definition.

I'm not surprised - it's not easy. Past "right wing" has been founded on the Mussolini/Hitler model. But that was then. I've noted what Hugh has researched:

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Long story short, if you try to describe economic and social politics in terms of “left” and “right” simultaneously you will come unstuck. You need to define someone’s position as economically left or right and socially authoritarian or libertarian. And one position by no means pre-ordains the other.

No wonder Russ cannot justify his "overtly right wing" description of GB News (and by association - Reform UK).

Maggy

03-08-2025 09:02

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I didn’t join CF for politics. I came to have fun and to improve cable tv output. Now I’m not sure if any of that applies.

Hugh	03-08-2025 09:24

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I'm trying to get Russ to define "right wing", which is a term he used in relation to GB News. He framed a question around that so, before I can answer him properly, I need to know what he means by "right wing". Russ has avoided obliging me with his definition.

I'm not surprised - it's not easy. Past "right wing" has been founded on the Mussolini/Hitler model. But that was then. I've noted what Hugh has researched:

No wonder Russ cannot justify his "overtly right wing" description of GB News (and by association - Reform UK).

It really doesn’t.

The Encyclopaedia Brittanica dictionary says

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Britannica Dictionary definition of RIGHT WING

[singular]

: the part of a political group that consists of people who support conservative or traditional ideas and policies : the part of a political group that belongs to or supports the Right

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right–wing

Britannica Dictionary definition of RIGHT–WING

: of, relating to, or belonging to the political Right : having or supporting ideas and policies that are associated with conservative groups

Also from Brittanica

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1754209113

What’s your definition of right wing? (please don’t default to your previous standard answer of "its well understood"…

Jaymoss

03-08-2025 09:26

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That has to be out of date now though unless it is the American system where Liberal means something totally different to here. How are the far left Radical ? I thought they were meant to be passive

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