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"Free" at the point of use (in healthcare) must be a preference over being bankrupted for healthcare (over 1.3 million US Citizens last year)?

https://www.expressnews.com/opinion/...p-20018041.php

btw, you'll be grateful for the NHS if you have an serious accident or a chronic condition - your Private Health won't cover you if you find yourself in the ICU...

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I am bemoaning the fact no-one wants to pay the price for them not the idea:dozey:

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We don’t want to pay the price because we already pay taxes.

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<cough cough>

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...t#post36179991

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Whoopsie….

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And I don't use it ! However via indirect tax mainly VAT pay for other people to. These who moan that they need ,want others to support them. Personally l strongly object to supporting those to lazy to look after themselves . If you want these services stop complaining about the tax you pay. Remember you will somehow end up doing so. Companies will pass the cost on. :shocked:

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I’ve never complained about the tax I pay (in fact, when I was contracting, I used an Umbrella Company so I paid my full tax, rather than minimising my tax/NI by paying myself a minimal salary and dividends - my choice, others are entitled to their choice).

Being part of society means (to me) contributing appropriately, if you can - not boasting about how you can avoid doing so…

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Exactly this! In 2020, my daughter had a condition where she had to go to Moorfields Eye Hospital, then to our local general hospital, then on to Great Ormond Street Hospital, all in the space of one week. She had MRI scans, ultrasound, a lumbar puncture and all the blood tests you could think of. She has been regularly going back to Great Ormond Street ever since.

It was a worrying time enough as it was but at least costs were not something we ever needed to think about. The admin went as far as name, date of birth, GP and address and that was it to get treatment at a world renowned children’s hospital

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The missus was called in to see her GP last week, She was asked to urgently write a letter to the Cardiac Unit to request they write a letter to the Diabetes Unit referring her to the Cardiac Unit. Nothing else was said at the appointment. The GP said that if they wrote the letter, it would affect their budget.

After the weekend, we got the first of 3 phone calls from the Practice, asking is the missus had received any mail from either the Cardiac or Diabetes Units. Nothing yet.

Admin gone mad?

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Society as you call it can take a.......................

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Well as you’ve previously said, as long as YOU are ok, sod anyone else.

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I assume when you have an accident you will tell the paramedics to "take a ……………….", to stay true to your, for lack of a better word, principles… :dozey:

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Yes fed up with beggers , junkies and drunks . People should really stop expecting to be wet nursed:shocked:

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Have no problem with the NHS or those that work in it. Not sure it should pander to whims of some people. As a concept it's great idea, lacks the finance and abuse of the system is a major problem. I choose to avoid using it, putting less pressure on it:rolleyes:

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My private scheme via work doesn't cover chronic conditions but may cover acute episodes resulting from a chronic condition.
Related to that is cover of chronic conditions where the patient will not or cannot take care of that condition in themselves. Is there any point where you delay or withdraw further treatment until they do? Is there a difference between those who will not and those who cannot? What about the person who generally does but then on one occasions does not and ends up needing treatment compared to the person who generally does not?
Examples : the diabetic who still eats Mars daily, refuses to take any exercise (even when that is provided free or discounted), refuses to monitor their condition all because the NHS will fix things up anyway. The diabetic who is normally careful but at a special occasion forgets, becomes hypoglycaemic and injures themselves. I am not having a go at diabetics but it is a chronic condition that does require the patient to be active in their treatment, other conditions like high blood pressure may also require non-clinical action.
Overall why should the NHS pick up the bill for people who willingly don't stay healthy? I do emphasise the "willingly", they know it's wrong but can't be bothered to correct their behaviour so they don't need treatment. I guess one issue is someone who "abuses" their body but ends up needing treatment for something unrelated. You can't refuse treatment for someone with a history of high blood sugar who was hit by a car!

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Tend to agree, smokers , fat people, drug addiction. Should bear the cost of their treatment. Add to that fertility treatment.look at the savings , time, monies beds etc. Seem to recall that car accident victims insurance paid some of the costs. If should.