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Pierre 19-09-2023 11:11

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160324)
His live shows aren't proceeding, Channel 4 has removed his old content from its on-demand service and YouTube has demonetised him.

His main outlet is Rumble & Locals.

ianch99 19-09-2023 12:03

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
It is interesting to compare this to the Huw Edwards story

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36160285)
This is a risk for Brand. Women don't go to the police because it's their word against his and their worried, but if a slew of allegations come in after they see they're not alone then the police might build a case.

Someone pointed out how low the percentage of rape claims are actually untrue. Found this to illustrate this point:

https://fullfact.org/crime/allegations-rape/

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Evidence from England and Wales suggests that 3-4% is a reasonable estimate for the number based on malicious complaints.
So, on the balance of probability, you can reasonably assume he is in trouble

Damien 19-09-2023 13:45

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
That's different to having a good enough case for the CPS to go for a conviction though.

Chris 19-09-2023 13:53

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36160345)
That's different to having a good enough case for the CPS to go for a conviction though.

It is, but libel is judged on the balance of probabilities, which is why Dispatches and the Times have run the story. They are confident that they can defend it in a defamation trial. Brand is not going to sue them because he’d lose.

1andrew1 19-09-2023 14:05

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36160325)
His main outlet is Rumble & Locals.

BBC just removed his shows off iPlayer.

Rumble and Locals may get his dedicated fans along but YouTube, Channel 4 OD and iPlayer have far wider exposure.

Paul 19-09-2023 15:17

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
Ah, so another one cancelled by "trial by the media".
[ Without, as best I can tell, any concrete proof or actual convictions ].

Chris 19-09-2023 21:38

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36160349)
Ah, so another one cancelled by "trial by the media".
[ Without, as best I can tell, any concrete proof or actual convictions ].

Since when did a newspaper investigation have to wait for someone to be convicted? Dispatches and the Times have done what investigative journalists have been doing for as long as the profession has existed. They have researched and published evidence of wrongdoing. The only legal bar they have to clear is to satisfy themselves they could defend a defamation claim if one were to be brought - to do that in these circumstances they would have to show that it is more likely than not that Brand has done the things claimed. They would have no trouble doing that given the number of women independently giving the same details. They have demonstrated a pattern of behaviour.

It is for others to decide what action, if any, to take on the basis of what they have reported. Having read the Times article and watched the Dispatches report, I think platforms that are temporarily removing his content are acting wisely. There’s more than enough evidence out there now to take precautions, especially given recent criminal convictions of other powerful media men who got away with it for years and whose media profile continued to shield them.

1andrew1 19-09-2023 23:55

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36160349)
Ah, so another one cancelled by "trial by the media".
[ Without, as best I can tell, any concrete proof or actual convictions ].

What proof would work for you?

Paul 19-09-2023 23:57

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Precautions ?
How is removing a show from iPlayer helping ?
Is it somehow going to leap out and assult people ?
Is everyone now so dumb they cant actually decide not to watch something if it bothers them.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160370)
What proof would work for you?

An actual conviction.

Mick 20-09-2023 23:11

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Really pleased Rumble has stuck two fingers up at our UK Parliaments, Media Culture & Sports Committee chair request to demonetise Brands channel, he’s not been convicted, he’s not even under any criminal investigation. I am no fan of Lefty Brand but this trial by media, guilt by accusation, it’s got to stop!

Dude111 20-09-2023 23:28

Yea they do whats easiest for them and its sick Mick!!

Im glad he stood up against them!!!

richard-john56 25-09-2023 14:44

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
I thought the BBC sacked him along with Jonathan Ross a few years back.

Damien 25-09-2023 18:48

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
More allegations received by police: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66918331

Pierre 25-09-2023 22:06

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36160655)
More allegations received by police: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66918331

It will be interesting in so far as in the Saville case, all the allegations were after he died and therefore could not be contested. ( I am not inferring in anyway that Saville did not assault many people)

But Brand is alive and well, therefore I would expect all these allegations to at some point turn into charges…………

Damien 25-09-2023 22:24

Re: Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36160672)
It will be interesting in so far as in the Saville case, all the allegations were after he died and therefore could not be contested. ( I am not inferring in anyway that Saville did not assault many people)

But Brand is alive and well, therefore I would expect all these allegations to at some point turn into charges…………

Maybe, but they'll have to be pretty certain of a conviction for the CPS to decide to prosecute. Certainly, it's more likely as more people come forward.


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