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How can you compare bond to 60s Batman??

That's just not even a thing. Early bond films are classic cinema and fantastic movies in their own right. Way more immersive than many new films. Most visual effects and stunt work was all captured on film none of this CGI blue screen fakery.

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The terrible sound and overall cheeseyness. The only reason you watch something like that is to cringe and laugh.

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What terrible sound?

Sean Connery and George Lazenby were not OOT cheesy. They were just a product of their time. It was when Roger Moore took over that it went laughable at times. However they are still mostly good fun and enjoyable to watch.

They certainly aren't as tongue in cheek or as cheesy as 60s Batman. Not even on the same scale.

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Loved Goldeneye. Might have to go and re-live it on the big screen.

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The diabolical dubbing of every sound effect. They sound like chinese/japanese films. Fake punches, fake gun shots, fake explosiins, fake car noises, fake everything. I know they are a product of their time but it doesn't mean they are good or are worth (or enjoy) watching today.

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Yes a lot of things were ADR but that doesn't make them bad or terrible. In fact the won an Oscar for best sound for Goldfinger. Also some early Oscars for visual effects for Thunderball.

A lot 9f what Bond was doing for cinema was cutting edge at the time. Most film and TV now still dubs sounds and voices, it's just harder to notice with better technology behind it.

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Well I enjoy all the Bonds they tick my enjoyment factor boxes.

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Same for me although Moore is my least favourite Bond.

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From someone who claims to be a film aficionado this is very disappointing. You truly have no sense of film as an art-form. As Stephen already pointed out, far from being fake, Goldfinger actually won the oscar that year for its sound. i.e. it was, in the view of the Academy, the state of the art at the time it was made.

Film is indeed meant to be immersive, but clearly you're working to a different definition of immersive to the Academy, BAFTA and just about everyone else. Film is meant to do more than engorge your realism factor. It's about finding new ways to tell interesting stories and examine ideas. And, in point of fact, without the work of sound editors on 1960s films like Goldfinger, you wouldn't have the sound production you so love on films today. The art is in a constant state of development and innovation, and classic films remain classics because of their achievement at the time as well as their contribution to the development of the art. If you don't understand that, you're no sort of film fan at all.

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I can confidently say I have never said that in my life

indeed but it doesn't mean they carry the same weight or value today. The whole point is that they were fantastic for their time. Just because a film may have been ground breaking in the 1930s doesn't mean I want to watch it today. The Artist is a perfect example if you have seen it. Would you want an infantry battalion from WWII in our army today or a dot matrix printer? They were good in the day but that is where they belong.

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There were groundbreaking and great for when they were made and they are still good to this day.

That's like saying Star Wars was great for 1977 but it's not worth watching now as effects and sound are better on new films.

Just not logical.

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And yet you harp on at length about Oscar nominations, have opinions on all sorts of films and relentlessly share ‘how it should have ended’ type material on here. You clearly have strong views on how you think films *should* be made.

On the contrary, it means exactly that.

… and here again you miss the point by a country mile, because for all your claimed interest in film, what actually titillates you can be very narrowly defined indeed. You want to be effortlessly transported into a situation as if you were there, without having to do any significant mental or emotional engagement of your own, and you dislike being challenged by a film ending in a way other than you want it to.

If that’s what you go to the cinema for, then fine. I won’t argue with that, plenty of people do so and are perfectly happy. But criticising classic films as being of less current value because of their age or production methods defies all logic. You might as well argue Leonardo da Vinci’s work is worth less because he used lead-based pigments in his paint.

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if it makes you feel any better I have just been to see Starship Troopers at the cinema and I enjoyed it as much this time round as I did when I first saw it 25 years ago.


yup, that's because I get berated for my views and opinions on films and anyone would get the impression from this forum that I am the odd one out and the only person who thinks the way I do. I laugh my ass off (literally) when I watch the HISHE's and they pick up on everything I do. I post them to reinforce my point of view and show I am not in the minority.

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Many of the HISHE and honest trailers are done for a laugh and a joke, not a serious view in any way.

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I recently bought the box set of James Bond and must say the older films are the best.