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I think we might need some sort of Head of State. The Prime Minister isn't one and the Monarch's role may be ceremonial but the actions she takes would need to be taken by someone.

Most likely scenario if we ever did get rid of the Monarchy is an elected ceremonial head of state as Ireland does.

Back to the thread generally, I don't see how this is 'nothing to do with Charles' as some have suggested. He may have nothing to do with it after the investigation is done but it's his charity and he is connected to the honours system. There is obviously something to be looked at there.

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Very thoughtful…:rolleyes:

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As I said, Prince Charles will have to apologise on behalf of the charity. I doubt very much that he would have been personally involved.

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More thoughtful than kowtowing and cap doffing, I bet you love all that stuff, knowing your place, never questioning their authority over you no matter how abhorrent their behaviour

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What century are you living in :rofl:

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Exactly, what century are we living in where a class system and what school you go to matter more than ability and aptitude

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No, I am comparing systems, and antiquated though it may seem in the present day, it just works.

You’d have to bring in something pretty special to replace it. President Farage? Now there’s a thought! :D

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Well, it’s the voter who decides who to vote for, not ‘the system’.

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It works for those who benefit from it that is, the wealthy and privileged. Monarchy is a construct that belongs in the past. No-one is born to be a ruler of others. I am surprised that you cannot see this?

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You have put your finger of the issue: the Monarchy is the keystone of the class system. Without it, the advantage through who you know, who you are born to and where you went to school/college would slowly dissipate.

The irony is that those who support the system are just shilling for the privileged & wealthy who literally do not know and do not care that they even exist.

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Bloody hell, ianch, when we’re you ever get suppressed by the Royal Family?

You talk nonsense. The monarchy is benign as far as the general population is concerned, but it is very beneficial to us all in smoothing relations with countries who may have issues with the government of the day and is constitutionally responsible for our Armed Forces, who can be ordered to bring the government to heel if it exceeds its authority.

It is a delicate balance and we interfere with it at our peril.

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Every society has its upper, privileged tier. It was ever thus, even with Soviet Russia. It is the same with Communist China. It’s there because it works.

It tends to be those who fail to achieve who tend to revolt against the system. They would do better if they just tried harder. This is not Victorian times. Everyone has opportunity. At least in this country.

Be careful what you wish for.

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It's value is subjective and is seen through a lens of historical conditioning. There is no objective merit in proposing a system where an individual is appointed by God to rule. The construct belongs to the past.

There is no "value" to the ordinary citizen, quite the opposite. The class system that the Monarch underwrites is the vehicle that actively limits the ability for people to progress on merit.

The Yanks saw through this charade 250 years ago but we still pretend ..

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Are you saying I have "failed to achieve"?

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Yes, why can’t they do as well as someone whose parents could send them to private schools, then used connections to get them into Oxbridge/Durham/Exeter/Russell Group Unis, then the same connections/influence to launch/progress their careers - if only if they had tried harder, they could have had these parents… :rolleyes:

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You think there is no class system in the US?

Getting rid of the monarchy would not change anyones life in the U.K. for the better, and could possibly make some lives worse.

Don’t get me wrong the monarchy can, and should, be continuously scrutinised and reformed. I don’t know what the civil list is nowadays, or even if there is one, but lesser royals should only be renumerated based on the amount of civil duties they perform.