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tweetiepooh 14-01-2022 09:29
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109427)
They've found a way to blame Boris!

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36109424)
He reported the donations to MI5 apparently. Not sure if that's standard practice but if not then he clearly had suspicions in which case bloody stupid to take the donation.
Unless MI5 asked him to "carry on" so they could collect information and do their own counter espionage.

papa smurf 14-01-2022 09:30
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36109430)
They've found a way to blame Boris!

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Unless MI5 asked him to "carry on" so they could collect information and do their own counter espionage.
A double agent:shocked: the plot thickens.

Carth 14-01-2022 10:26
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I'm sure that if he's found to have done anything wrong, a profound and sincere apology will be forthcoming . . . to the Chinese :D

Damien 14-01-2022 11:21
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36109430)
Unless MI5 asked him to "carry on" so they could collect information and do their own counter espionage.
Again if Barry Gardiner is MI5's man then we're all screwed.

My theory is that all donations from foreign citizens based in the UK have to be declared for precisely this reason. It's legal to accept donations from UK residents but if they're not citizens then maybe there is an additional level of oversight.

GrimUpNorth 14-01-2022 11:55
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36109450)
Again if Barry Gardiner is MI5's man then we're all screwed.

My theory is that all donations from foreign citizens based in the UK have to be declared for precisely this reason. It's legal to accept donations from UK residents but if they're not citizens then maybe there is an additional level of oversight.
Apparently, he did support Hinkley Point despite the widespread concerns about Chinese involvement.

Maybe the Chinese were hedging their bets and put in a few spies to make sure they had a direct line to enable them to destabilise the government whichever party is in power ;).

nomadking 14-01-2022 12:00
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36109450)
Again if Barry Gardiner is MI5's man then we're all screwed.

My theory is that all donations from foreign citizens based in the UK have to be declared for precisely this reason. It's legal to accept donations from UK residents but if they're not citizens then maybe there is an additional level of oversight.
Not true. Donations from foreign citizens are not allowed. The "loophole" is that UK businesses can donate, even when they have foreign owners.
The key distinctions with this case are that, it was large amount, was mainly to one person, and that the money actually came from elsewhere.
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Mr Gardiner began getting donations from Ms Lee's law firm, Christine Lee & Co, at the end of 2014.

1andrew1 14-01-2022 12:09
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36109463)
... the money actually came from elsewhere.
What does that mean?

Carth 14-01-2022 12:49
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109466)
What does that mean?
It's big business speak, it may mean a series of untraceable offshore accounts set up by - but not limited to - Governments, drug/arms dealers, gambling companies, The Illuminati, lizard people, owners of top football clubs, dairy farmers, the mafia, ransomware hackers, pension funds, VM retention dept. etc etc :D

nomadking 14-01-2022 12:50
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36109466)
What does that mean?

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She then gave donations to politicians, with funding coming from foreign nationals in China and Hong Kong.

papa smurf 14-01-2022 13:52
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i hope this is the end of Beijing Barry's political career.

daveeb 14-01-2022 14:12
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36109475)
It's big business speak, it may mean a series of untraceable offshore accounts set up by - but not limited to - Governments, drug/arms dealers, gambling companies, The Illuminati, lizard people, owners of top football clubs, dairy farmers, the mafia, ransomware hackers, pension funds, VM retention dept. etc etc :D

:D:D the last one had my mouthful of tea over the keyboard.

Sephiroth 14-01-2022 14:35
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109427)
What's your point? Russian FSB penetration of the government or parliament?

Hugh 14-01-2022 14:53
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36109519)
What's your point? Russian FSB penetration of the government or parliament?
Russian influence over our lawmakers and political parties is just as bad as Chinese - the Chinese haven't poisoned anyone (as far as we know) on our soil.

Carth 14-01-2022 14:57
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36109524)
Russian influence over our lawmakers and political parties is just as bad as Chinese - the Chinese haven't poisoned anyone (as far as we know) on our soil.
Well apart from Covid . . . . accidental or not

Sephiroth 14-01-2022 15:45
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36109475)
It's big business speak, it may mean a series of untraceable offshore accounts set up by - but not limited to - Governments, drug/arms dealers, gambling companies, The Illuminati, lizard people, owners of top football clubs, dairy farmers, the mafia, ransomware hackers, pension funds, VM retention dept. etc etc :D

Oi. Harry Turtledove's convincing account of the lizard people includes hydrogen powered vehicles, wormhole travel and serious weaponry. Oh - and anti-fascist.


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