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Mick 15-08-2021 20:52
Re: Parliament to be recalled re: Taliban in Afghanistan
 
Democrat Leader of the House of Representatives:

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Originally Posted by Nancy Pelosi @SpeakerPelosi
The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and his action. The Taliban must know the world is watching its actions. We are concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls.
WTF is she smoking? :rolleyes:

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Local journalist reporting a Taliban leader saying tonight: “I was detained in Guantanamo bay camp for several years”, reported to have stated this while inside the presidential palace in #Kabul. #Afghanistan

Hugh 15-08-2021 20:54
Re: Parliament to be recalled re: Taliban in Afghanistan
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36089878)
God knows how the families of the 454 British troops and civilians that have died in Afghanistan feel. What was it for?
Ah, the old "sunk cost" fallacy...

456 have died so far, let's add some deaths/serious injuries to show their sacrifice wasn't in vain... :rolleyes:

Mick 15-08-2021 21:12
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President Biden last month boasted that the Afghan army was one of the best equipped in the world. That this was state of the art, latest US military equipment they had and it is now in the hands of the Taliban, who today released hundreds of terrorists being held at Bagram airbase. The clock has been reset back 20 years, the World will be plunged in to a refreshed era of major Terrorism.

Chris 15-08-2021 21:21
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Biden has royally screwed up. Who cares that that preening fool Trump cut a deal with terrorists - what could the Taliban have actually done about it had Biden decided to keep troops in country? His NATO allies and his own generals were all warning him just how quickly the Taliban would start partying like it’s 1999 in the absence of western forces to stop them.

Give it 5 years and the whole country will be a jihadi boot camp; a couple more and western capitals will be on permanent security alert. The only way this ends is with a permanent external security presence in Afghanistan. The US seems to have managed it on the Korean Peninsula. They could have managed it here, and they wouldn’t have done so alone. I predict that this is Biden’s legacy, and time and history won’t easily heal it.

Damien 15-08-2021 21:25
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089891)
Biden has royally screwed up. Who cares that that preening fool Trump cut a deal with terrorists - what could the Taliban have actually done about it had Biden decided to keep troops in country? His NATO allies and his own generals were all warning him just how quickly the Taliban would start partying like it’s 1999 in the absence of western forces to stop them.

Give it 5 years and the whole country will be a jihadi boot camp; a couple more and western capitals will be on permanent security alert. The only way this ends is with a permanent external security presence in Afghanistan. The US seems to have managed it on the Korean Peninsula. They could have managed it here, and they wouldn’t have done so alone. I predict that this is Biden’s legacy, and time and history won’t easily heal it.
Yes although there is an argument that the Taliban might take against allowing Afghanistan to become a place for terrorists to seek refuge. They are focused on keeping themselves in power and won't want to invite a Western response down the line. Islamic terror networks in recent years also seem to be more focused on encouraging lone-wolf attackers as well.

Chris 15-08-2021 21:31
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Those terror networks have been constrained by their reduced training opportunities. They will no longer face such restraints on training once a terrorist regime is running Afghanistan. I don’t think the Taliban are suddenly going to become responsible global citizens when their religious ideology is hard-wired for holy war against crusaders and zionists.

Mick 15-08-2021 21:53
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Pentagon, yes, that’s not a typo, Pentagon (Not President?) authorises additional 1,000 U.S troops to Afghanistan to aid evacuation efforts bringing total troop deployment to 6,000.

Wtf is the U.S President?

Hugh 15-08-2021 21:55
Re: Parliament to be recalled re: Taliban in Afghanistan
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36089894)
Pentagon, yes, that’s not a typo, Pentagon (Not President?) authorises additional 1,000 U.S troops to Afghanistan to aid evacuation efforts bringing total troop deployment to 6,000.

Wtf is the U.S President?
??

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle...d3d3ca6b0953f2
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Biden orders 1,000 more troops to aid Afghanistan departure

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden authorized on Saturday an additional 1,000 U.S. troops for deployment to Afghanistan, raising to roughly 5,000 the number of U.S. troops to ensure what Biden called an “orderly and safe drawdown” of American and allied personnel.

Mick 15-08-2021 22:07
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That was yesterday, this 1,000 is on top of the 5,000 already deployed Hugh.

Damien 15-08-2021 22:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36089899)
That was yesterday, this 1,000 is on top of the 5,000 already deployed Hugh.
The Fox News Pentagon reporter is saying Biden authorised it:

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BREAKING: President Biden orders 1,000 more paratroopers from 82nd Airborne to Kabul to evacuate Americans. 6,000 U.S. troops will now be on the ground in Afghanistan.
https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/sta...95373520924675

I don't think it means much. It's that it has to be his order so Pentagon requests and he accepts.

1andrew1 16-08-2021 00:10
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Good article here on why Afghanistan fell so quickly
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Low morale, no support and poor politics explain why Afghan army folded

Former western military officials and independent academics say the collapse of the Afghan armed forces reflects widespread public disillusionment with President Ashraf Ghani’s government, chronic corruption and mismanagement within the armed forces, and a sheer lack of confidence among the troops that they could win against the Taliban without US military and intelligence support.

“The problem with the army was not lack of training or weapons. The most important thing in war is politics,” said Mike Martin, a former British army officer and author of a book about Afghanistan’s decades-long conflict, An Intimate War...

“The Taliban political franchise was able to peel off bits of the government because the government did not tend to its constituents enough — the tribes, clans, militias and ethnicities. That is the fundamental issue,” Martin said. “The army commanders just surrendered in return for amnesty, which the Taliban granted them and let them go home.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...es&ocid=UCPNC2

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Biden's words did not age well. Neither have Johnson's. Strange that these politicians failed to see what everyone else did.
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I would just say to the Taliban that they have made the commitment that I read out to the House, in their negotiations with General* Khalilzad. They must abide by that commitment. I am sure that they will be aware that there is no military path to victory for the Taliban. There must be a political and negotiated settlement for the political crisis in Afghanistan, and the UK will continue to work to ensure that that takes place. I believe that can happen - I do not believe that the Taliban are guaranteed the kind of victory that we sometimes read about.
Boris Johnson, House of Commons, 8 July 2021.
* Not a General, he's a diplomat, but that's the least of the issues with this statement.

TheDaddy 16-08-2021 03:31
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36089870)
Yes, it's Biden who takes responsibility for this. Trump probably would have done the same thing and was planning as much but Trump lost and, as Mick says, Biden could have reversed this decision.
Donny would have done it quicker, he praised Biden for doing it and criticised him for doing it at a slow pace. Personally I think Biden is to blame for this, American generals ran the clock down on donny in the hope someone sane would take over and they got joe

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36089878)
God knows how the families of the 454 British troops and civilians that have died in Afghanistan feel. What was it for?
Nothing, I went to school with someone who died on 9/11 and with another who died in Afghanistan and I can't work it out

noel43 16-08-2021 10:34
Re: Parliament to be recalled re: Taliban in Afghanistan
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36089884)
Ah, the old "sunk cost" fallacy...

456 have died so far, let's add some deaths/serious injuries to show their sacrifice wasn't in vain... :rolleyes:
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Most of the brit
Population didn't want this war. Tony Blair wanted to sit at the top table with the big boys. Tony's wife said I would never let my son join the army while he was sending out lads to fight.

mrmistoffelees 16-08-2021 11:06
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Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 36089929)
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Most of the brit
Population didn't want this war. Tony Blair wanted to sit at the top table with the big boys. Tony's wife said I would never let my son join the army while he was sending out lads to fight.
Regardless of if the war was just or not, the fact is it happened, IMHO we have a duty of responsibility & care to the people of Afghanistan.

Already this morning it's being reported that women are being turned away from their places of work, five people have been killed during stampedes at Kabul airport..

Mick 16-08-2021 11:22
Re: Parliament to be recalled re: Taliban in Afghanistan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36089932)
Regardless of if the war was just or not, the fact is it happened, IMHO we have a duty of responsibility & care to the people of Afghanistan.

Already this morning it's being reported that women are being turned away from their places of work, five people have been killed during stampedes at Kabul airport..
Some really heartbreaking footage of Afghan civilians at a Kabul Airport, trying to stop a U.S Military jet from taking off so they can all climb aboard.

Meanwhile, Wall Street Journal is not holding off any punches this morning:

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President Biden tries to duck responsibility for the worst U.S. humiliation since the fall of Saigon in 1975, writes The Editorial Board


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