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Re: E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36093470)

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It's another example of a misleading set of environmental claims. Same as calling electric vehicles, "zero-emission". The emissions occur elsewhere.
It's meant to reduce CO2 output by the engines, but misses out the bit that producing the ethanol, also produces CO2.:rolleyes:

Which is then likely to be used by various industries(food production, brewing) and released into the atmosphere anyway.

So how do you like to get transported from A to B, and how do you carbon offset it Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs Nomadking?

Re: E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093471)

So how do you like to get transported from A to B, and how do you carbon offset it Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs Nomadking?

What's that got to do with my post?
The claim is that as Ethanol has less carbon than the petrol it is replacing, it therefore produces less CO2. CO2 is effectively "extracted" in the production of the Ethanol. It might even be the case than more CO2 is produced overall.
The central problem with using Ethanol, is that it absorbs water, and that can damage engines. You can't distil 100% Ethanol.
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With that said, ethanol is hygroscopic, which is a pocket-protector way of saying that it readily takes up water. In fact, if you poured 50mL of pure ethanol into a glass and then added 50mL of pure, distilled water, you’d only end up with about 96mL of solution (and a pretty rubbish cocktail), due to the fact that water and ethanol get in close and form bonds, much like people do after exposure to ethanol.
The problem for your car is that water – outside of your radiator and wiper bottle – is generally a bad thing, rusting and corroding delicate fuel system and engine parts that were never designed to come anywhere near water. And if you drive infrequently, extra ethanol in your tank will absorb extra water from the atmosphere and separate the fuel into straight petrol and an alcohol-water mix. The ethanol-water mix will sink to the bottom of the tank, and then, if you ever run low on petrol, you’ll pump water-diluted alcohol into your engine. And no one likes watered down booze.

Re: E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

My niece has a Ford Ka, (which has a Fiat 500 engine in it),
The other week she filled up and got a warning light show up, she took it to a guy who asked had she filled up, he plugged the car in but nothing showed up.

We've told her to put E5 in, then told her I put ultimate diesel in at £1.50 a litre, and cried when my last fill was £78.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36093714)

Diesel into a petrol car? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093715)

Diesel into a petrol car? :confused:

That'll be the big end warning light.:D

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093715)

Diesel into a petrol car? :confused:

I was wondering about that as well. :erm:

Re: E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093715)

Diesel into a petrol car? :confused:

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36093716)

That'll be the big end warning light.:D

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093724)

I was wondering about that as well. :erm:

No, I was saying that E5 is now BP Ultimate Petrol, and that I pay £1.50 a litre for mine

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36093758)

No, I was saying that E5 is now BP Ultimate Petrol, and that I pay £1.50 a litre for mine

Except you didn't.:D

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36093714)

My niece has a Ford Ka, (which has a Fiat 500 engine in it),
The other week she filled up and got a warning light show up, she took it to a guy who asked had she filled up, he plugged the car in but nothing showed up.

We've told her to put E5 in, then told her I put ultimate diesel in at £1.50 a litre, and cried when my last fill was £78.

Re: E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093766)

Except that he did!

Is it panto season already Seph?

Oh no he didn't!:D

Re: E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36093768)

Is it panto season already Seph?

Oh no he didn't!:D

Oh yes he did, Pip. The comma governs.

Re: E10 petrol - the pitfalls.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093770)

Oh yes he did, Pip. The comma governs.

The comma does not negate the use of the word diesel.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36093782)

The comma does not negate the use of the word diesel.

It delineates, in meaning, which car took diesel and which car took petrol. Clear as daylight and Brexit.

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I love a bit of forum pedantry as much as anyone but can we move the topic along please …

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I regard E10 as an ill judged piece of pedantry on the part of the climate warriors in government. The potential damages to cars if you leave it fallow for a month ranks also with the price gouging cost of E5 Super.

It's like the latest shock horror that Asthma inhalers are a major contributor to Climate Change. I'll put that into the other thread.