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Hugh 02-07-2020 21:20

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36042051)
Offence junkie just got a fix;)

Casual racism just got triggered...

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Originally Posted by old boy (Post 36042052)
i don't recollect such complaints when the ugandan asians came here. As i understood it, they created more jobs. It's what entrepreneurs tend to do.

27,200 < 3,000,000+

downquark1 02-07-2020 21:22

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
3 million will not actually choose to leave.

jfman 02-07-2020 21:36

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36042052)
I don't recollect such complaints when the Ugandan Asians came here. As I understood it, they created more jobs. It's what entrepreneurs tend to do.

I’m not sure the “they steal our jobs” brigade care for the distinction or consider the evidence base of whether migrants offer more to the country than they take.

papa smurf 02-07-2020 21:54

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36042056)
3 million will not actually choose to leave.

They won't be allowed to leave.

downquark1 02-07-2020 21:55

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36042058)
They won't be allowed to leave.

That is also true.

Damien 02-07-2020 22:25

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
Take a plane to Paris. Then once there get a plane or train to London.

downquark1 02-07-2020 22:51

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36042060)
Take a plane to Paris. Then once there get a plane or train to London.

If a North Korean defects they punish the family for three generations. The Chinese aren't that bad but they have more creative ways than simply bannijg flights to Britain.

RichardCoulter 02-07-2020 22:57

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36042061)
If a North Korean defects they punish the family for three generations. The Chinese aren't that bad but they have more creative ways than simply bannijg flights to Britain.

What do they do to them?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36042058)
They won't be allowed to leave.

If that's the case it's a pretty meaningless gesture by our Government.

nomadking 02-07-2020 23:00

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36042057)
I’m not sure the “they steal our jobs” brigade care for the distinction or consider the evidence base of whether migrants offer more to the country than they take.

So in what ways, apart from their own consumption(food, housing, energy, etc), do they actually increase GDP per person? Not sure I've ever seen a full and proper explanation of how it works.


GDP or similar as a measure is just nonsense. In theory you could double the population and total GDP would go up. GDP per person is another matter.

Carth 02-07-2020 23:23

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36042052)
I don't recollect such complaints when the Ugandan Asians came here. As I understood it, they created more jobs. It's what entrepreneurs tend to do.

I think there were 'jobs galore' back in the day . . before everyone was put out of work through advances in automation, globalization, and the Gov't selling stuff off ;)

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042064)
So in what ways, apart from their own consumption(food, housing, energy, etc), do they actually increase GDP per person? Not sure I've ever seen a full and proper explanation of how it works.

Yep, something else I don't get . . . probably because 'stats' don't do anything for me ;)

ianch99 02-07-2020 23:31

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36042057)
I’m not sure the “they steal our jobs” brigade care for the distinction or consider the evidence base of whether migrants offer more to the country than they take.

Tend to agree. It worked for Brexit so the playbook has been validated.

nomadking 02-07-2020 23:45

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36042071)
I think there were 'jobs galore' back in the day . . before everyone was put out of work through advances in automation, globalization, and the Gov't selling stuff off ;)

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Yep, something else I don't get . . . probably because 'stats' don't do anything for me ;)

Stats prove nothing. It should be pretty easy for people to explain the exact mechanisms by which GDP per person is supposedly increased. Especially when those groups are complaining they are badly off and economically disadvantaged. The explanations should all be ready, "neatly tied up with a bow". How many businesses are just taking away money, that would've been spent elsewhere anyway.


I've posed a question. If there's an explanation, let's hear it.

jfman 02-07-2020 23:49

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042076)
Stats prove nothing. It should be pretty easy for people to explain the exact mechanisms by which GDP per person is supposedly increased. Especially when those groups are complaining they are badly off and economically disadvantaged. The explanations should all be ready, "neatly tied up with a bow". How many businesses are just taking away money, that would've been spent elsewhere anyway.

I've posed a question. If there's an explanation, let's hear it.

So businesses extract money from the wider economy?

downquark1 02-07-2020 23:52

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36042062)
What do they do to them?

The North Koreans have a strange class system based on how loyal you are. If your family gets put in the traitor class you get less food and opportunities and will get mistreated.

nomadking 03-07-2020 00:29

Re: UK offers right to residency and path to citizenship to 3m Hong Kong citizens
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36042077)
So businesses extract money from the wider economy?

The sort of example I was thinking of, was a takeaway where if somebody didn't spend it there, they would've spent it somewhere else. Not necessarily on food.

Still waiting for this supposedly simple explanation, that should've been ready and around for decades, just to be trotted out.


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