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denphone 21-02-2019 09:02
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
More resignations from the Conservative party on the way perhaps?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-direction

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The former attorney general Dominic Grieve and the former education secretary Justine Greening both said they would leave the Conservatives if there was a no-deal Brexit, as the three ex-Tory MPs warned that a third of the party could be willing to join them.

Maggy 21-02-2019 09:05
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Let's hope that Rees-Mogg,Johnson,Gove join their numbers..;)

Mick 21-02-2019 09:30
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35983988)
People said that the MPs who left their Political parties should hold a by-election as they were elected because they were affiliated to a Party (Labour or Conservative), and that’s who voters voted for - how is it "nonsensical" to apply the same logic to UKIP MEPs who lave left UKIP?
I explained why it is nonsensical, in the same post. Read it!!!

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35983990)
Let's hope that Rees-Mogg,Johnson,Gove join their numbers..;)
Let’s not. But nothing wrong with Labour’s Front Bench ? :rolleyes:

Mr_love_monkey 21-02-2019 11:36
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35983904)
Should Farage, Nuttall, and the (around) ten other ex-UKIP MEPs who are now "Independent", also stand down as MEPs? (and Mark Reckless, who was elected as a UKIP Welsh Assembly member, but then left UKIP).
Yes, they should.
They get elected on essentially a party ticket - and then distance themselves from that party. If that happens it should trigger a re-election

Maggy 21-02-2019 12:31
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35983994)
I explained why it is nonsensical, in the same post. Read it!!!

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Let’s not. But nothing wrong with Labour’s Front Bench ? :rolleyes:
Yes your probably right but nothing wrong in hoping. If we can get rid of all the infighting that seems to have infested Parliament at the moment we might actually get back to the business of running the country and dealing with important issues actually sorted out.

tweetiepooh 21-02-2019 13:04
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
While I vote for a person MP's are also elected based on their party and the party assists with their election so if you resign the whip yourself you should really step down.

heero_yuy 21-02-2019 13:21
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Quote from tweetiepooh:

While I vote for a person MP's are also elected based on their party and the party assists with their election so if you resign the whip yourself you should really step down.
Yes, and demanding a second referendum whilst denying your own constituants a by-election vote on whether you should still be their MP is rank hypocracy.

papa smurf 21-02-2019 14:03
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983917)
The Welsh Assembly is not dependent on our remaining in the EU though so would you like Mr Reckless to stand down?
I think if any politician leaves the party they were voted in to serve by the public they should go back to the people in a local election, put forward the new party's manifesto for the people to vote on and see who's interested,most people vote for a party not a person imo.

pip08456 21-02-2019 14:23
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35984011)
I think if any politician leaves the party they were voted in to serve by the public they should go back to the people in a local election, put forward the new party's manifesto for the people to vote on and see who's interested,most people vote for a party not a person imo.
Unless the person voted for is an Independant with their own platform then a party member is elected not just for themselves but also the platform the party is putting forward.

If they then leave the party they should stand again and put forward the alternative platform they are standing on.

Hugh 21-02-2019 14:23
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Perhaps the electoral rules should be changed to make that happen

Mick 21-02-2019 14:41
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35984010)
Yes, and demanding a second referendum whilst denying your own constituants a by-election vote on whether you should still be their MP is rank hypocracy.
Exactly this.

I would welcome any change in electoral law that said anyone who resigned the whip of their Party, effectively resigning from their party and parliament as a sitting MP. They are no longer representing the policies they were elected on and yes I expect this to apply to ALL, including Farage. The issue I raised above with Hugh is that Farage has hardly been calling for a second referendum, or a peoples vote, the MPs who have joined "TIG", have and ALL of them are advocating that they don't need a people's vote in a by-election.

Hugh 21-02-2019 15:24
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
But Farage and others have resigned the whip, and from the party, of UKIP.

Are you saying if a Tory or Labour MP resigns from their Party, and Whip, but still follows their Manifesto, they don't need to resign from their current seat or stand in a by-election as an independent MP?

pip08456 21-02-2019 15:30
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35984015)
But Farage and others have resigned the whip, and from the party, of UKIP.

Are you saying if a Tory or Labour MP resigns from their Party, and Whip, but still follows their Manifesto, they don't need to resign from their current seat or stand in a by-election as an independent MP?
Why would anyone resign from a party and still follow that party's manefesto? It doesn't make sense.

Hugh 21-02-2019 16:56
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35984016)
Why would anyone resign from a party and still follow that party's manefesto? It doesn't make sense.
You would have to ask the UKIP MEPs - that’s what they’ve done...

Mick 21-02-2019 17:10
Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35984024)
You would have to ask the UKIP MEPs - that’s what they’ve done...
This thread is not about UKIP MEPs. We’re talking about MPs so stay on topic.


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