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arcimedes

27-12-2018 12:32

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

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Originally Posted by beaker17 (Post 35976999)

Bravo and thank you.

The connection between my PC and printer is wireless not cabled.

No your connection is part wireless and part cabled.

beaker17

27-12-2018 12:45

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

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Originally Posted by arcimedes (Post 35977001)

No your connection is part wireless and part cabled.

Sorry but YES, I agree and that is what I have been trying to explain all along. I have both an Ethernet and wireless arrangement.

Some on here appear to have completely missed that point and have resorted to rude remarks.

The Ethernet connection to my PC is irrelevant to my printer in a direct sense, the printer is connected through the wireless capabilities of my PC.

pip08456

27-12-2018 13:25

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

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Originally Posted by beaker17 (Post 35977004)

Again you are wrong. Disable your wireless adapter on your PC and you will still be able to print exactly as you do now via your ethernet connection.

beaker17

27-12-2018 13:29

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35977012)

Again you are wrong. Disable your wireless adapter on your PC and you will still be able to print exactly as you do now via your ethernet connection.

While it does no harm - If it works, don't fix it.
We are still talking about the part of my system that is wireless.

I may hopefully go entirely WiFi, so the wireless adaptor will already be waiting.

General Maximus

27-12-2018 15:49

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

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Originally Posted by beaker17 (Post 35977004)

the printer is connected through the wireless capabilities of my PC.

No it's not. I have explained at length giving numerous examples how tmit works and if you want to play dumb that is up to you. I am not participating any more.

If my explanations did not provide enough detail consult the global networking gods and read this:

https://www.cisco.com/c/en_uk/soluti...witch-how.html

beaker17

27-12-2018 15:59

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35977016)

Auf Wiedersehen General and thanks.

Hugh	27-12-2018 16:04

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

It’s like trying to explain chemistry to a wombat...

The cable to from the router doesn’t transmit a wireless signal, as it’s a wire (wireless - no wire required). - the data to be printed is transmitted by a wired connection (the Ethernet cable) from the PC to the VM router, and then the data is transmitted by wifi (wireless, no wires/cables involved) from the router to the printer, then printed.

To prove this, unplug the Ethernet cable that runs between the router and your all in one pc from the back of the PC (leaving the cable in the router and the router powered up), and you will find that you cannot print as you have removed the network link between the router and the all in one PC.

I’m now at the point where I think you’re trolling...

beaker17

27-12-2018 16:25

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How insulting to infer I am trolling.

I am trying without an atom of success to explain that my wireless enabled PC acts as a sub-station and the router as the transmitting station. But nobody appears to understand a word of it. I am obviously not the wombat, it is others.

Of course if you cut the cable from the transmitter there will be no reception.
Likewise if you shut down the sub-station (PC) the printer will not work.

It is the PC that connects with the printer NOT the router.
And the same principle is present with a WiFi circuit.

BenMcr

27-12-2018 16:30

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

That's not correct. The router is normally the thing that coordinates everything talking to each other, much like a telephone exchange would.

In your setup, the printer will continue to work as long as the router is on. For instance you could print from a phone or tablet connected to the router when the PC is off.

beaker17

27-12-2018 17:45

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

I give up in sheer frustration, the wombat is now retiring from this palace of confusion.

My thanks to everybody for an interesting and in my case a partially fruitful discussion. And may I add that the Cable Forum is a superb place for resolving problems. That is meant sincerely and not sarcastically.

I wish you all a Happy New Year.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35977022)

My parting gift to Ben.

Sorry Ben, but the router means nothing if the PC, tablet, phone or bull horn is missing. It is the router signal picked up by the control device that gives the router/ printer its instructions not the router.

The TV transmitting station is operating 24/7 but if your own TV is switched off it makes no difference.

Hugh	27-12-2018 17:55

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It is the router signal picked up by the device that gives the printer its instructions not the router

Where do you think the router signal comes from, if not the router?

https://www.explainthatstuff.com/wirelessinternet.html

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Wi-Fi

If you have wireless Internet access at home, you probably have a little box called a router that plugs into your telephone socket. This kind of router is a bit like a sophisticated modem: it's a standalone computer whose job is to relay connections to and from the Internet. At home, you might use a router to connect several computers to the Internet at once (saving on the need for several separate modems). In other words, the router does two jobs: it creates a wireless computer network, linking all your computers together, and it also gives all your machines a shared gateway to the Internet.

You can connect a router to all your different computers using ordinary network-connecting cables (for the technically minded, these are called RJ-45, Cat 5, or Ethernet cables). This creates what's called a LAN (local area network) linking the machines together. A computer network is a very orderly affair, more like an organized committee meeting, with carefully agreed rules of behavior, than a free-for-all cocktail party. The machines on the network have to be hooked up in a standard way and they communicate in a very orderly fashion. The rules that govern the network setup and the communication are based on an international standard called Ethernet (also known as IEEE 802.3).

A wireless router is simply a router that connects to your computer (or computers) using radio waves instead of cables. It contains a very low-power radio transmitter and receiver, with a maximum range of about 90 meters or 300 ft, depending on what your walls are made of and what other electrical equipment is nearby. The router can send and receive Internet data to any computer in your home that is also equipped with wireless access (so each computer on the wireless network has to have a radio transmitter and receiver in it too).

What would I know, with only 38 years experience in IT...

(And 6 years before that in the RAF in Telecommunications)

arcimedes

27-12-2018 18:19

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

Perhaps this makes sense

PC wants to print a file. There are two ways to do it.

1. Connect the printer to the PC directly (if the printer allows it)

2. If not then you need some sort of intermediary to sit between the PC and the printer. Normally this would a router.

3. One thing that does occur to be is can the wifi card in the PC be configured to route all traffic to the printer avoiding the router. I cant think of a way.

I started earily than hew back in the 80s first with X25 and then IP

vm_tech

27-12-2018 19:57

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Maybe a diagram will help....

jem	27-12-2018 20:08

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

Well this thread escalated fairly quickly didn't it?

It's a pity nobody asked 'beaker17' what printer he had or if he had direct print (or similar) switched on (probably yes) because in that case it might well create an ad-hoc wifi network and start broadcasting discovery frames which a PC with the proper software installed will find and connect to - over wifi while Windows will quite happily tell you that the wifi is 'Not Connected' because it is looking for an infrastructure-type setup, ie a proper IP address, gateway etc. So it's perfectly possible that his PC is connected 'wirelessly' directly to his printer, completely ignoring the SuperHub and all the while Windows claiming that the wifi is not connected.

Anyhow, back to his original question, can you have wifi and cabled ethernet (although on some levels you can argue that wifi transmissions are a form of ethernet as well) connected at the same time? And the answer is an unequivocal 'YES'. And I know because it drives me nuts with some of my clients who have laptops plugged into docking stations (we'll actually port replicators) and they get two IP addresses (and I hate waste) and it's always a bit vague as to which interface traffic will flow through.

This was actually addressed back in post 13 where it was pointed out that PCs, printers, tablets etc. never, ever have an IP address, it's the network interface which has the address and if you have more than one network interface they can both be connected and both can have their own IP address (and as long as the MAC addresses are different) there won't be any issues at all - no bridging loops etc. It's not ideal from a traffic management point of view, but in a home setup, who cares?

Now it is possible that some PC chipsets 'might' detect two connections to the same subnet and choose one to shutdown but this isn't normal or standard, in fact i'm posting this from an iMac with both wifi and ethernet connected and operational with IP addresses of 172.22.57.150 and 151 (I reserve them in DHCP) and I leave it to sort out which route to take outbound.

General Maximus

27-12-2018 20:14

Re: Windows 10 Desktop WiFi

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Originally Posted by beaker17 (Post 35977021)

It is the PC that connects with the printer NOT the router.

you are an absolute dick. How many times have we told you that is not the case, explaining why and you keep coming back and saying the same thing over and over again. If you don't believe us or don't understand go and do some googling and read up on networks. Only a 3 year old would keep saying the same thing over and over again without using some initiative and trying to find out more if they disagree.

If you buy this book I promise you'll learn everything you need to know about networks and how they work. I can't recommend it enough.

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 35977040)

Now it is possible that some PC chipsets 'might' detect two connections to the same subnet and choose one to shutdown but this isn't normal or standard,

on my laptop when I sit down at my desk and connect the cable windows automatically drops the wireless connection in favour of the wired connection.

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