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Hugh	08-03-2018 09:38

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35939938)

Let's not jump to conclusions about "they"

There is speculation in some quarters that this was not an act by agents but that the daughter had bought with her a gift from someone in Russia that contained the nerve agent and it was opened by her in the presence of her father.

Sounds a bit more plausible than reds under the bed.

Really - didn’t you read the links about the multiple ‘accidents’ to other people who have upset Putin?

How would the gift get to contain a ‘very rare’ nerve agent that can only be manufactured by a government facility?

As the police said http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43326734

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Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said: "This is being treated as a major incident involving attempted murder, by administration of a nerve agent.

"Having established that a nerve agent is the cause of the symptoms... I can also confirm that we believe that the two people who became unwell were targeted specifically."

Occam’s Razor - the simplest solution is the most likely...

heero_yuy

08-03-2018 11:06

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

Well it seems somebody thinks it's a theory woth looking into:

Quote:

Quote from The Journal:

The Times reported police are probing whether Skripal’s daughter, who arrived in Britain from Moscow last week with “gifts from friends”, may have inadvertently brought the nerve agent into the country.

I can't source a link to the Times reference though.

Damien

08-03-2018 11:15

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35939952)

Well it seems somebody thinks it's a theory woth looking into:

I can't source a link to the Times reference though.

That still implies it was a state action but they used his daughter as a mechanism for delivery. Quite how they would work without her suspecting anything or it being detected though...

heero_yuy

08-03-2018 11:22

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Quote from Damien:

That still implies it was a state action but they used his daughter as a mechanism for delivery. Quite how they would work without her suspecting anything or it being detected though...

On that we can agree.

Think aftershave: He tests it on his face, her on her wrist.

Anyway I think this Times report is the one being cited by other news outlets.

Mick	08-03-2018 11:23

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

None of this makes any sense. He had been pardoned by the Russian State, so if it was Russia, why were they still pursuing him?

Reports suggest he was under some form of protection from MI6. A former MI6 woman said, decontamination officials arrived very quickly on scene, as if they expected this kind of attack.

Damien

08-03-2018 11:30

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35939959)

None of this makes any sense. He had been pardoned by the Russian State, so if it was Russia, why were they still pursuing him?

To send a message that you can't escape if you've acted against Russia.

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Reports suggest he was under some form of protection from MI6. A former MI6 woman said, decontamination officials arrived very quickly on scene, as if they expected this kind of attack.

Nah. Apparently people called the emergency services after seeing them collapse hence when the policeman also got exposed.

heero_yuy

08-03-2018 11:46

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Quote from The Sun:

The police officer who was hospitalised in the poison spy attack is awake, talking and out of intensive care Amber Rudd has said.

The Home Secretary confirmed that the hero who was first to help Sergei Skripal and his daughter, was on the mend - and she was "hopeful" about his recovery.

But the two targets of the attack - Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia - are still in a "very serious condition", she told Good Morning Britain.

"The policeman is talking and engaging, I am more optimistic for him, but it's too early to say," she said.

"This is a nerve agent, but it's still very serious."

Good news on the officer lets hope for his full recovery.

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Ms Rudd will make a statement to the House of Commons to update MPs on the situation later today, but said "of course" she could guarantee the public their safety.

Mmm. Unless there's a lot that they know that hasn't been released that's a bold statement.

Damien

08-03-2018 12:20

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35939959)

Reports suggest he was under some form of protection from MI6. A former MI6 woman said, decontamination officials arrived very quickly on scene, as if they expected this kind of attack.

Following on from this it would be interesting to see these reports. From the looks of it it look a while for decontamination teams to arrive and the incident was orginally dealt with by normal police who had no idea what they were dealing with: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sergei-skripal

Mick	08-03-2018 13:41

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

That's not what a former MI6 spokeswoman said yesterday on the news. She said they arrived very quickly. I don't trust anything wrote in the guardian anyway so not going to comment further.

Damien

08-03-2018 13:56

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35939988)

That's not what a former MI6 spokeswoman said yesterday on the news. She said they arrived very quickly. I don't trust anything wrote in the guardian anyway so not going to comment further.

They're photographs showing the scene. I am sure they arrived quickly but the post made it sound as if they suddenly turned up within minutes of the poisoning as if they had a tip-off. In reality they didn't know what they were dealing with for a while.

Anyway the bigger question is how they managed to position this people.

Hugh	08-03-2018 14:48

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43330498

From a Russian State TV announcer, Kirill Kleimenov, on government-controlled Channel One's flagship Vremya news programme

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"I don't wish death on anyone, but for purely educational purposes, I have a warning for anyone who dreams of such a career," he said.

"The profession of a traitor is one of the most dangerous in the world," Kleimenov said, adding that few who had chosen it had lived to a ripe old age.

Alcoholism, drug addiction, stress and depression resulting in heart attacks and even suicide were the "professional illnesses of a traitor", according to Kleimenov.

He also had a second piece of advice for such "traitors or those who simply hate their country in their free time": "Don't choose Britain as a place to live."

"Something is wrong there. Maybe it's the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there."

Not exactly subtle...

OLD BOY

08-03-2018 17:20

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35939952)

Well it seems somebody thinks it's a theory woth looking into:

The Times reported police are probing whether Skripal’s daughter, who arrived in Britain from Moscow last week with “gifts from friends”, may have inadvertently brought the nerve agent into the country.

I can't source a link to the Times reference though.

A gift from friends? What kind of friend gives you a bottle of nerve agent on your birthday? :Yikes:

Damien

08-03-2018 17:31

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35940017)

A gift from friends? What kind of friend gives you a bottle of nerve agent on your birthday? :Yikes:

Ultimate prank!

If this is the route then it would be someone intentionally giving it her on the hope she gives it her dad. That makes more sense than accidentally giving your nerve agent in a gift. I still think it's less likely because the risk she would open it at any point seems quite high to me.

heero_yuy

08-03-2018 17:52

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

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Quote from Damien:

If this is the route then it would be someone intentionally giving it her on the hope she gives it her dad. That makes more sense than accidentally giving your nerve agent in a gift. I still think it's less likely because the risk she would open it at any point seems quite high to me.

If the gift was specifically for the father, e.g. Aftershave it's unlikely that she would open it before being with her father. As targeted delivery it's not a bad ploy.

RizzyKing

08-03-2018 19:28

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury

A non persistent nerve agent isn't something you buy off the shelf and happen to find in aftershave or any other gift. This has fsb written all over it and the chances of them doing anything without Putin's approval is right up there with snowball fights in hell but in practical terms there is sod all we can do about it and that's why Russia doesn't care about pulling this crap in the UK. Russia is becoming more belligerent and despite rhetoric there are no consequences and with the white house in a total mess in relation to Russia there is unlikely to be any action there either.

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