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I think this sums it up.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1518773757

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

America is a big place with big wilderness and big game. If you are hunting large animals you will need something bigger than a .22 or shotgun. You don't need automatic or semi-automatics though.

It's also a place where you can go out to "the wild" and enjoy shooting weapons without endangering others and why not? Most people who do that are not a risk, they know what the weapons can do and look after them. They don't want their misuse as it just risks (further) restrictions on what they enjoy.

I expect that many in the NRA would also welcome preventing "the crazies" from being able to do this but how do you define who can and who can't have what in what circumstances or places? Then how do you enforce it? Are there unintended consequences (e.g. the police can't have guns because anyone who intentionally puts on a uniform and goes into certain areas must be "crazy")?

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

All you need for hunting is a Shotgun, Bolt Action rifle, or a bow/crossbow.

AR-15s aren't hunting rifles, unless you want to make a mess of the animal - they are only 5.56mm/.22 calibre bullets.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Have you never had mince .

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Nope: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida...inkId=48175634

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Mince - "meat cut up into very small pieces".

Not "meat contaminated by bone, skin, internal organ fragments, and other contaminants", which is what happens when something alive is shot multiple times.

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I think it's a mistake to generalize based on any city or town. Actually it's a mistake to generalize at all. Even within individual areas (be they larger towns, cities or the countryside), people aren't necessarily the same. I come from London. People in my area are nothing like those from other areas (say Hackney, or Lewisham). Obviously some are, but most aren't.

Regarding the shooting, I think the US does need to toughen up it's gun laws. I'd like to see them implement similar gun restrictions to those we have here (which do a good job of restricting mass shootings but do allow those who legitimately need them access to guns). I can accept that is not going to happen quickly.

They can start by restricting those with known mental problems from owning guns, which is one bit of Obama-era legislation Trump repealed without replacing.

Various Republicans have cited the fact that even countries that have gun bans do have the odd mass shooting means gun bans don't work. They conveniently neglect to mention that while most countries have the odd terrorist incident or other mass shooting, countries with gun bans tend to have them a lot less frequently than those without. Note: I consider mass shootings to be terrorist incidents, but to Trump at least the difference appears to be the colour of the shooter.

I've noticed that the standard reaction of the country is to argue whether guns laws would work or not, then the Republicans state that it's too soon to bring up the Gun laws again, and that we should all pray for the victims because apparently that's what God wants. Then, after a few days shouting, it's all forgotten only to start again after the next shooting. Which, based on the recent stats, is likely to be in a few days.

Looking at it logically, I would suggest that whatever the Americans are doing to combat mass shooting is not working. Quite the opposite, seeing as the frequency of mass shooting is increasing. I would also suggest that while I am agnostic, assuming God exists, He wouldn't want us to pray for the victims, but would want us not to create more.

Still what can we expect from a country that has apparently decided Gun ownership is a right, while decent healthcare is a privilege?

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In all likelihood, any gun ban is likely to take decades to take effect, because, as you say, there are a lot of guns in the US.

Personally, I think any Gun ban needs to be paired up with a concerted effort to persuade people to give up guns. There are various methods they could use to do this ranging from education, TV ads etc through to relatively minor actions to make it inconvenient to own or carry guns, and easier to give them up.

Any restrictions, once they start working, will cause prices of the existing guns to rise, which will mean fewer people will be able to afford guns, legal or not.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43088644
Strange - he usually likes a photo opportunity :shrug:

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

I thought The Onion (a satirical online magazine) put it best.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-p...s-r-1823016659

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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

BREAKING: Florida Governor Rick Scott has called on FBI Director Christopher Wray to resign after his agency failed to act on a tip off, made to them a month ago.

https://news.sky.com/story/fbi-admit...-cruz-11253384

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Did he call on the President to resign too ?

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Why should Wray resign for not knowing about information that didn’t get forwarded to tho FBI Miami field office?

The FBI must get thousands of tips every week - someone made a decision based on the info they had at the time; that decision should be investigated, and then we should be talking about next steps; anything else is just looking for a scapegoat.

Should Governor Scott resign, as Federal law states you have to be 21 to by a semi-automatic rifle, but in Florida it’s 18?

btw, it’s never mentioned, but all those wounded in this attack (and all previous attacks) will receive bills for the emergency care they received, and any ongoing medical care. Funny how it’s a right to own a gun that can kill and wound people, but not a right to get the medical care, without being impoverished, that results from that right...

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Does it say so in the news link ?

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Surely the Ammo shop that sold the weapon(s) to a minor should be shut down.... and possibly face prosecution...

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S
 

Just headline grabbing nonsense.

I'm quite sure they get tons of "top offs" and could not possibly "act" on every one of them.

For that matter what does he mean by "act on it" ?