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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ges-rejecting/

Cue Mr Osem telling what a nasty Tory this is, and what a nasty party the Tories are :rolleyes:

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Still waiting for Mr Osem, in the meantime...

Couldn't have put it better myself.

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Depends if we as a society want to rehabilitate or punish people for the rest of their lives. I think Scotland has it right, if you've not been violent, sexual or been to prison criminal records are filtered after 20 years of non offending seems reasonable to me.

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Crab has to go. This is the second time he's done this isn't it?

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Nothing like someone that preaches to others but they cannot preach it to themselves.

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Well a lot of important, high profile and self righteous people are going to be exposed and I dare say the same will happen around the world. It's been going forever - the rich, powerful and influential feeling able to force, cajole or coerce others to do their will in one way or another. I wonder how many people who've been instrumental in changing our laws on all this will themselves turn out to have been responsible for committing some of the worst offences.

I can't see where all this will end but I hope it doesn't turn into the new McCarthyism in which innocent people's lives are ruined... :shrug:

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You usually find those preaching high morals in public are the most disgusting perverts in private. Do as I say, not as I do. :rolleyes:

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Yes because they all too often have the required power, money, influence and opportunity.

I know this is all being portrayed as someone a uniquely male v female issue but I've heard plenty of stories about the abuse of men in predominantly female workplaces which goes to prove that neither sex has the monopoly on this sort of thing. As more men start to learn about the abuse others have suffered they're going to start speaking up and we're going to see that what's at the bottom of most of this is not the sex of the perpetrators and victims, it's their relative positions of opportunity and power.

Many men never speak about this sort of thing at the time but that doesn't mean they haven't been victims too. Way back when I was groped by a couple of girls in a bar who walked past me and one after the other quickly grabbed my crotch. I was stunned and would never have thought to complain to anyone - they'd have laughed at me after all - but it was a sexual assault nonetheless and if I were to 'return the favour' now I'd be arrested quick smart.

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And another one....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41794625

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But it's ok to have a witch hunt depending on which party the MP is in? Don't think it's unfair to expect MPs to behave in the same standard they expect us to behave.
(tbh the MP for Sheffield sounds like an immature ******** who should never have got got close to a selection list, but Fred West could have stood against Nick Clegg and got elected). However there seems to a lot of sex obsessed bigoted pratts in the current parliament, and they should all be 'outed' regardless of which side they are on.

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You can see why many of the populace have little faith in politicians whatever political persuasion they are from..

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It's not just politicians though is it. Plenty of high profile people, including some of the great and the good (as we found out with Savile) are going to have done this sort of stuff and will be wondering whether their little secrets are going to come out. Some of them may even be at this moment deciding the 'disciplinary' or legal action which is going to be taken against others.

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No its certainly not just politicians as for many decades in many other spheres of society there were many that turned a blind eye to what was happening as quite a few knew exactly what was going on and did nothing and even now the establishment will do anything to hide their secrets from us.

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It is interesting Den that the OP originally saw this as being another tiresome opportunity have a go at 'nasty' Labour. However as soon as some Tories are implicated it's 'McCarthyism' and 'not just politicians' etc etc.

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I agree. That does seem a bit inconsistent.
I wish Theresa and Jeremy well in their endeavours to sort these issues out.

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Will the Tories suspend Crabb? Telegraph is suggesting May will fire ministers but will they should suspend the whip too they (rightly) demanded Labour do the same with O'Hara.

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As you know Mr K l try to be balanced whatever political persuasion they are from as all l am going to say is the words convenient memory loss and that applies not just to the Conservatives on here.;)

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Indeed they cannot preach to the opposition if they cannot preach to themselves.