Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35868345)

So you're unhappy with your OAP parents and assume all OAPs to be cut from the same cloth? Not all pensioners are 'comfortable' and viewing this as a generational struggle is just succumbing to press rhetoric.

I can understand how your circumstances colour your judgement but pensioners are a soft target and, btw, you won't have your mum and dad forever. Better to be hounding big business to pay its fair share of tax than to make the lives of old people miserable by denying them a few bob.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35868335)

well at least we know what work is .:eeek:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35868411)

I too have issues with that termination, perhaps those that think it is just that should have a read of this.

http://www.ageuk.org.uk/Documents/EN....pdf?dtrk=true

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868514)

No but I look at the DWP budget and see the vast majority of it is on pensions, and that big chunk is been treated specially, that is clearly wrong.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868514)

It is a benefit pip.

Like working age benefits e.g. there is contribution based factors e.g. contribution based JSA and contribution based ESA are both classed as benefits, yet they can only be claimed by someone who has paid enough national insurance.

I think the only reason you two have an issue with it been called a benefit is because its for a different set of people "pensioners".

Either pensions are a benefit, or JSA and ESA are also not benefits. You cannot have it both ways.

Incidentally contribution based working age benefits are actually cash flow positive so are viable, pensions however are not and require subsidy from working age budgets hence the squeeze been put on them.
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35868549)

Your view is entrenched in your personal circumstances.

I am more altruistic and I'm quite happy for them to receive a payment that allows them to eat and keep warm. The vast majority will, as Maggie says, be supporting younger people in one way or another. It's just unfortunate for you that your OAP parents expect handouts from you; I suppose if they were to get less from the state, they'd want even more from you. Catch 22.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35868514)

No but I look at the DWP budget and see the vast majority of it is on pensions, and that big chunk is been treated specially, that is clearly wrong.

By the way, whats your opinion on papa smurf's stereotyping?

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I dont know if you are just really misguided or trolling. Shocking state of affairs if many people agree with you.

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It is a benefit pip.

Like working age benefits e.g. there is contribution based factors e.g. contribution based JSA and contribution based ESA are both classed as benefits, yet they can only be claimed by someone who has paid enough national insurance.

I think the only reason you two have an issue with it been called a benefit is because its for a different set of people "pensioners".

Either pensions are a benefit, or JSA and ESA are also not benefits. You cannot have it both ways.

Incidentally contribution based working age benefits are actually cash flow positive so are viable, pensions however are not and require subsidy from working age budgets hence the squeeze been put on them.

Do I need to make a list of how hard things are getting for the younger generations.

University fees
Housing costs relative to income levels
Zero hour contracts
Social housing
Retirement age
PIP replacing DLA (mysteriously tho pensioners are exempt from this change and DLA can still be claimed by them in PIP areas).

A pensioner claiming DLA, does DLA magically stop becoming a benefit also?

This is a big part of the problem, people seemingly have no issue with the way young people are been treated but as soon as someone mentions that pensions maybe should be treated "equally" not "worse" then its suddenly unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35868761)

Doesn't DLA change to Attendance Allowance after state retirement age?