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Paul 25-04-2016 21:09
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35833957)
And l have read that, Hunt will be breaking the law if he tries to enforce it.
I have read that Elvis is still alive and living with Aliens, doesnt actually make it true ... ;)


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And l think that 90% of the UK will support the NHS staff.
Based on what, just some random number generator ?
Strikes rarely achieve much these days. I think if they go on strike they will lose some support, if someone dies because of it, they will lose a lot more.

TheDaddy 26-04-2016 00:05
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, if someone dies because of it, they will lose a lot more.
No one will die because of it, in fact if you're planning on getting very ill I'd suggest Tuesday and Wednesday would be very good days to do it on, not that it'll stop the press though

Hugh 26-04-2016 08:39
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Really?

In Manchester, they have a consultant psychiatrist, Dr. Richard Hopkins, who have not undertaken hands on physical diagnostic medicine in over a decade, covering in A&E - sounds safe...

Osem 26-04-2016 09:21
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What'd be the point in removing emergency cover if they didn't think it was upping the ante by increasing the risk?

I find it a bit rich that at a time when they're making a whole lot of noise about 'caring for patients' and 'saving the NHS' they're at the same time threatening to leave it if they don't get their way. Now who will that hurt most of all? The patients and the NHS I'd say.

Gary L 26-04-2016 09:49
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35834499)
I find it a bit rich that at a time when they're making a whole lot of noise about 'caring for patients' and 'saving the NHS' they're at the same time threatening to leave it if they don't get their way. Now who will that hurt most of all? The patients and the NHS I'd say.
It's like when you kidnap somebody and cut their finger off.
how are you supposed to be taken seriously if you just threaten to cut their finger off?

Ramrod 26-04-2016 10:49
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Junior doctors should be completely ashamed by today’s strike
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Under the government’s offer, those junior doctors who are on duty one Saturday in four will receive a premium pay rate of 30 per cent. This means they are, on average, getting paid more for working on Saturdays than nurses, midwives and paramedics. The proposed deal is also more generous than what firefighters and police officers get for doing their job on a Saturday. This is hardly grounds for a walkout that will inevitably put lives at risk.
Junior doctors are right that they are paid less than doctors in some other countries. But this is, in large part, because the state has heavily subsidised their education. By the time a doctor has finished their foundation training, the state has already spent a quarter of a million pounds on them.

Until doctors are prepared to pick up more of this tab themselves, they shouldn’t complain that some of those working in other health systems are paid more than them.

Mr K 26-04-2016 10:56
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35834499)
What'd be the point in removing emergency cover if they didn't think it was upping the ante by increasing the risk?

I find it a bit rich that at a time when they're making a whole lot of noise about 'caring for patients' and 'saving the NHS' they're at the same time threatening to leave it if they don't get their way. Now who will that hurt most of all? The patients and the NHS I'd say.
But what alternative do they have if the government has walked away from negotiating and won't even consider cross party compromise suggestions ? What action do you suggest they take instead ? It's hardly the most militant of actions 8 to 5 pm for 2 days, with emergencies being covered by consultants.

Seems the Govt. wants a 'political win' and to hell with the consequences for the future of the NHS. Not that they and their private healthcare chums are really bothered about the NHS anyway; it almost as if it's is being set up to fail to clear they way for privatisation.

nomadking 26-04-2016 11:19
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But what alternative do they have if the government has walked away from negotiating and won't even consider cross party compromise suggestions ? What action do you suggest they take instead ? It's hardly the most militant of actions 8 to 5 pm for 2 days, with emergencies being covered by consultants.

Seems the Govt. wants a 'political win' and to hell with the consequences for the future of the NHS. Not that they and their private healthcare chums are really bothered about the NHS anyway; it almost as if it's is being set up to fail to clear they way for privatisation.
So what exactly are they striking over? Not working hours related things, because that's all been agreed.

The cross-party suggestion of phased implementation is just what was happening ANYWAY.
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How will the 2016 contract be introduced?

A phased implementation plan has been developed, that will enable employers to introduce the working patterns enshrined in the contract more safely.
Most doctors and dentists in training will be moved onto the 2016 contract over an 18-month period, commencing in August 2016, linked to when their current contracts of employment expire and their training programme rotation dates. The proposed national timetable for this is set out in the Implementation Guide, although this will be subject to some regional modification.
Doctors and dentists in training will retain their current contract (e.g. the New Deal contract for doctors) until the date on which they transfer to the 2016 contract and its associated terms and conditions, according to implementation plan.

papa smurf 26-04-2016 17:29
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"wipe that smirk off his face"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7000501.html

martyh 26-04-2016 18:15
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But what alternative do they have .
Get back to work and quit whining about what is a good offer and gives them what they want that's what alternative they have .How many of the doctors on the picket line realise that they are simply pawns for the BMA who are quite disgracefully using a straightforward contract negotiation for their own political ends

Pierre 26-04-2016 18:51
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I just wish they'd be honest and call it for what it really is. A dispute over money. Sod all to do with patient care.

TheDaddy 26-04-2016 19:27
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Get back to work and quit whining about what is a good offer and gives them what they want that's what alternative they have .How many of the doctors on the picket line realise that they are simply pawns for the BMA who are quite disgracefully using a straightforward contract negotiation for their own political ends
I credit them all with more smarts than to be used as political pawns in the machinations of an evil union

martyh 26-04-2016 22:28
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I credit them all with more smarts than to be used as political pawns in the machinations of an evil union
Every time one of them speaks on the news there is a different reason why they are striking ,this morning on the BBC news when it was pointed out that they would be working less hours one of the doctors said the new contract would lead to "gender inequality" ,as far as i'm concerned they are just playing politics

Mr K 26-04-2016 22:44
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Every time one of them speaks on the news there is a different reason why they are striking ,this morning on the BBC news when it was pointed out that they would be working less hours one of the doctors said the new contract would lead to "gender inequality" ,as far as i'm concerned they are just playing politics
Maybe because different Drs are being interviewed? The fact they are disenchanted and have taken such unprecedented drastic action is something we should all be worried about, whatever the outcome. We're all dependent on them. There's one person playing politics, a politician surprisingly, who has manufactured this dispute for his own ends.

nomadking 26-04-2016 23:19
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Maybe because different Drs are being interviewed? The fact they are disenchanted and have taken such unprecedented drastic action is something we should all be worried about, whatever the outcome. We're all dependent on them. There's one person playing politics, a politician surprisingly, who has manufactured this dispute for his own ends.
So you're happy with the doctors lying? Disenchanted with what? Long hours, well that's proved to be nonsense. It's allegedly not about getting more pay, so what is it all about? That is, not things based on LIES or POLITICALLY BASED CONJECTURES.:confused:


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