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Think of how much all those weirdly brown caucasian people would've saved in tanning salon bills and fake tan had we kept on rolling with the CFCs!

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And the money people will save on installing swimming pools in their gardens if climate change really takes off.

Are tanning beds still around? I thought the government banned it after it turned out they were basically massive cancer delivery systems.

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[QUOTE=papa smurf;35832927]So a blog in a forum on a Dating website thinks they're biased _ sounds legit...:erm:

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Ignored? Perhaps not. But make it the big scare story that provided loads of "scientists" with full income for years and years? Often repeating each others' data over and over without ever really doing any real science?

Those that did the science (some decades ago) often got it wrong, or failed to truly evaluate what the data said. Hypothetical models were made and they still got it all wrong. Then satellites started to actually measure depletion.

And that had the soothsayers out in their droves. And the money went into thinking and not experimenting and measuring.

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Wonder what it would be like if this happened today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Would we have climate change scientists proclaiming the end of the World.

The climate changes quite regularly (Geologically speaking) and statistically the Earth is generally more warmer than it is colder.

The reason we had massive cold spots - certainly on the Southern Ice Cap is partly because of continental drift, making a big open area on the Southern Hemisphere, making it ideal for those conditions, in due course the continents will shift again and Antarctica will again be a tropical paradise, as it was a long time ago. (No doubt full of oodles of minerals too that will be harvested)

The reality is that we just don't understand why 'climate change' happens, and we should be wary of arbitrarily pointing the finger of blame at anything until we do.

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But it wasn't wrong. They were right. It's just they knew what caused it and there was considerable public demand for something to be done. So they all but abolished CFC gas. The fact it's now speculated that it may increase warming near the polls is an unfortunate result of the world not being perfect but they were not wrong at all.

Why do people expect branches of science to come fully formed? Aristotle is one of history's most famous scientists and he was wrong about motion but he was proven wrong by Galileo conducting experiments and not by the people later threatening to burn Galileo at the stake for saying the Earth wasn't the centre of the Universe. Darwin is famous for evolution and even though he got large parts of that wrong however idea was correct and the scientists which later contradicted him were set on that path by him.

It is unremarkable that science is sometimes wrong but that's the nature of something that exists on the fringes of things we do not know. It is much easier to look back and scoff at them being wrong before but we're not smarter than Aristotle just because we know the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Climate change will be proven wrong if people come up with evidence debunking it or proving it's been driven by another cause. The fact is that evidence has not yet emerged which is why skeptics resort to pointing out that science can be wrong. Science already knows that.

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Climate Change can never be proved wrong because the climate has always changed, all by itself in many directions. Plus whichever way something turns out, however contradictory, it is blamed on Climate Change. Eg Less ice predicted because of Climate Change, but more ice found but somehow is still due to Climate Change.

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Because climate is not weather, or building blocks of lego.

If climate is changing, it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere, it means there are major measurable effects, of different types, in different areas, over a period of time - we are talking about climate, not weather, and unfortunately people confuse/conflate the two things; weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

Just for the sake of argument, what if the 97% consensus of Climate Scientists are wrong, what's the worst that happened - we stopped polluting our planet as much as we do now, and some money was spent on providing alternate sources of power (which can only be good, as fossil fuels are needed to all the tech stuff we like, being hydrocarbon based, rather than being wasted creating electricity). If, on the other hand, they are right, we (or our children) are fairly screwed if we don't do anything about it.

I like to think of it as insurance - hope we don't need it, but if we do, we'll be glad we had it...

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/04/15.jpg

What would be the point that skeptics would be willing to work on the assumption it is happening and it is man-made? Because no single event will ever be proof of climate change and each time we get 'freak' weather events they will be dismissed as one incident not proving anything.

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so we shovel on the coal ,pour on the oil,get our massive industrial plants working to produce steel and plastics, wire, glass chemicals etc etc and with this we produce wind turbines -solar panels -batteries etc etc all in the cause of ending pollution ,we deploy our oil powered heavy machinery to install it all then start the whole process again to replace the worn out parts and we are still only generating a fraction of the energy we need at what point do we become green ?.and what do we do with all the broken crap we are left with when it breaks down it would be nice if we could run the world on fluffy bunny power but its not a reality is it .

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It was once consistently warm enough in Norway to grow grape vines and produce wine. Greenland was once Green, not white. The dramatic changes since then, occurred in recent history.

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Ahem...

https://www.skepticalscience.com/gre...o-be-green.htm Do you have a link re historical growing of grape vines in Norway, please?

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It was in a TV prog(BBC) about Europe from several years ago.

The whole planet warms up(Medieval Warming Period) and cools down again(Mini Ice Age) and obviously warms up again, all by itself without Man being involved.

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http://www.macleans.ca/society/scien...mcmurray-fire/
Current forest fires in Canada have been blamed on climate change. More carbon going into the atmosphere in a viscious circle.

Still, lovely warm day here and we can all have a good whinge about life threatening issues like EU membership. Have we got our priorities wrong?

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1976 Wonderfully hot (18.2), particularly notable as part of the whole summer, as high pressure dominated the British Isles. It was even hot in Scotland; Wauchope (Borders) reached 32.4C on the 2nd. Even Braemar reached 30C on the 8th. 27C (80F) was exceeded somewhere in the country every day from 22 June to 16 July. Heathrow had 14 consecutive days above 31C between 23 June and 8 July. Somewhere in the country reached the 90s (32C) for 15 consecutive days from 23 June and 7 July. The summer was quite poor in the Western Isles, however, as fronts coming around the high affected the far NW. Cheltenham reached 35.9C on the 3rd, the highest corroborated maximum.