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Or.....

Giving people information so they can make informed decisions.

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Maybe they think that if they scare enough people into thinking that after all these years the highly controversial bacon that upsets so many people actually can kill you. then we'll all stop eating it.

and then we're happy. they're happy. and the people who want to take over the world can cross it off their 'To Do' list.

or maybe we'll eat bacon more and more and have bacon parties!

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well based on this information it looks like lorry drivers and builders are a dying breed ,and lets not even think of devastating effect on taxi drivers .

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I reckon those people can make a "No win no fee" claim.
these food people should have known about this a long time ago. they haven't suddenly gone to work and said I'm bored. I'll put some of my bacon into a test tube! and then called all the other "experts" and said "You'll never guess what I found out about my bacon!"
and then they all agreed with him.
what have they been doing all these years while they've been waiting for him to get more bored than usual?

they should have put that bacon in a test tube years ago!

that's why I don't believe it.
it's just scaremongering again.
hoping that we stop eating bacon to please the non bacon eaters.

and the usual look busy or you're out of a job.

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This.

I'm pretty disappointed to see the WHO going all Daily Mail with their Could Cause Cancer statistics.

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It's just this ridiculous shock horror "discovery" that turns out to be a possible minute change of risk that just makes me very dismissive of ANY of these results and organisations.:rolleyes:

Especially when the next result is the exact opposite of the previous. Just eat a healthy balanced diet with not too many calories and junk and tell the experts to get lost.

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The WHO didn't, the newspapers interpretation their decision to upgrade processed meat to category 1 did.

The WHO have a traditionally dry and boring press release: http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/p...fs/pr240_E.pdf

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Not to mention the fact that these sorts of studies are often conducted in isolation and rarely consider the knock-on effect of cutting out certain foods, and whether that effect might be more damaging than the risk they are trying to mitigate.

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This wasn't one study, it's a combination of several studies over many years which have in turn been analysed by the WHO over several years. They are aware of the problems with correlation being confused with causation. Look at red meat which most studies suggest has have a link with cancer but the WHO are still wary of classing it was a carcinogen. We're not dealing with a crackpot organisation here or a knee-jerk reaction to one study.

I ask again that if now the WHO are a discredited organisation who we can't take seriously then what else is left?

It's not a 'discovery'. This isn't telling us anything that new. Also the main detail from the report isn't the minor change in risk but the fact that risk is now considered proven thereby classing processed meat as a carcinogen. The list is a ranking of how carcinogenic is but simply if it is carcinogenic at all.

The end result is people can more more informed decisions about their diet. Especially those at high risk of the mentioned cancers.

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Personally the credibility of the world health organisation has been iffy since they decided electronic cigarettes were more dangerous then normal cigarettes a claim that has been thoroughly junked. They are little more then a mouthpiece for whoever pays them enough these days and anyone putting too much faith in them is going to live a life scared and very bland food wise. My grandfather who eats a bacon or sausage sandwich every morning and has done since he was a child immediately put the pan on after hearing this and had both in one sandwich there's no stopping his reckless abandonment even at 94.

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I can't find that anywhere. All I can find is a report where they cautioned against calling them 'safe' until more research is done and to avoid them being used indoors and for children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalis...anisation.html

They seem simply to be saying that they don't know about the health effects and people should await further evidence.

They're largely funded by Governments with some money coming from NGOs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...d_partnerships

And people who have smoked several packs a day have lived to over 100 whereas some people who never touched a cigarette in their life have died of lung cancer at an early age.

The risk of any one person contracting cancer because of processed meat is very low when you look at the statistics. All the WHO are saying is that there is a risk, albeit minor. This only becomes clear with a larger set of people.

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Wonder if there is a difference between the nasty cheap water injected, smoke flavoured stuff and a decent dry cured, properly cold smoked joint, carved into nice thick slices.

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Lidls are selling Biltong for 99p/pack. Just ate a pack. Very tasty :tu: :)

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I suspect that there is.

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WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer

Carcinogenic to humans - those that definitely cause cancer.

1. Tobacco smoking

2. Sunlamps and sunbeds

3. Aluminium production

4. Arsenic in drinking water

5. Auramine production

6. Boot and shoe manufacture and repair

7. Chimney sweeping

8. Coal gasification

9. Coal tar distillation

10. Coke (fuel) production

11. Furniture and cabinet making

12. Haematite mining (underground) with exposure to radon

13. Secondhand smoke

14. Iron and steel founding

15. Isopropanol manufacture (strong-acid process)

16. Magenta dye manufacturing

17. Occupational exposure as a painter

18. Paving and roofing with coal-tar pitch

19. Rubber industry

20. Occupational exposure of strong inorganic acid mists containing sulphuric acid

21. Naturally occurring mixtures of aflatoxins (produced by funghi)

22. Alcoholic beverages

23. Areca nut - often chewed with betel leaf

24. Betel quid without tobacco

25. Betel quid with tobacco

26. Coal tar pitches

27. Coal tars

28. Indoor emissions from household combustion of coal

29. Diesel exhaust

30. Mineral oils, untreated and mildly treated

31. Phenacetin, a pain and fever reducing drug

32. Plants containing aristolochic acid (used in Chinese herbal medicine)

33. Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) - widely used in electrical equipment in the past, banned in many countries in the 1970s

34. Chinese-style salted fish

35. Shale oils

36. Soots

37. Smokeless tobacco products

38. Wood dust

39. Processed meat

40. Acetaldehyde

41. 4-Aminobiphenyl

42. Aristolochic acids and plants containing them

43. Asbestos

44. Arsenic and arsenic compounds

45. Azathioprine

46. Benzene

47. Benzidine

48. Benzo[a]pyrene

49. Beryllium and beryllium compounds

50. Chlornapazine (N,N-Bis(2-chloroethyl)-2-naphthylamine)

51. Bis(chloromethyl)ether

52. Chloromethyl methyl ether

53. 1,3-Butadiene

54. 1,4-Butanediol dimethanesulfonate (Busulphan, Myleran)

55. Cadmium and cadmium compounds

56. Chlorambucil

57. Methyl-CCNU (1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1-nitrosourea; Semustine)

58. Chromium(VI) compounds

59. Ciclosporin

60. Contraceptives, hormonal, combined forms (those containing both oestrogen and a progestogen)

61. Contraceptives, oral, sequential forms of hormonal contraception (a period of oestrogen-only followed by a period of both oestrogen and a progestogen)

62. Cyclophosphamide

63. Diethylstilboestrol

64. Dyes metabolized to benzidine

65. Epstein-Barr virus

66. Oestrogens, nonsteroidal

67. Oestrogens, steroidal

68. Oestrogen therapy, postmenopausal

69. Ethanol in alcoholic beverages

70. Erionite

71. Ethylene oxide

72. Etoposide alone and in combination with cisplatin and bleomycin

73. Formaldehyde

74. Gallium arsenide

75. Helicobacter pylori (infection with)

76. Hepatitis B virus (chronic infection with)

77. Hepatitis C virus (chronic infection with)

78. Herbal remedies containing plant species of the genus Aristolochia

79. Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (infection with)

80. Human papillomavirus type 16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59 and 66

81. Human T-cell lymphotropic virus type-I

82. Melphalan

83. Methoxsalen (8-Methoxypsoralen) plus ultraviolet A-radiation

84. 4,4'-methylene-bis(2-chloroaniline) (MOCA)

85. MOPP and other combined chemotherapy including alkylating agents

86. Mustard gas (sulphur mustard)

87. 2-Naphthylamine

88. Neutron radiation

89. Nickel compounds

90. 4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK)

91. N-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN)

92. Opisthorchis viverrini (infection with)

93. Outdoor air pollution

94. Particulate matter in outdoor air pollution

95. Phosphorus-32, as phosphate

96. Plutonium-239 and its decay products (may contain plutonium-240 and other isotopes), as aerosols

97. Radioiodines, short-lived isotopes, including iodine-131, from atomic reactor accidents and nuclear weapons detonation (exposure during childhood)

98. Radionuclides, α-particle-emitting, internally deposited

99. Radionuclides, β-particle-emitting, internally deposited

100. Radium-224 and its decay products

101. Radium-226 and its decay products

102. Radium-228 and its decay products

103. Radon-222 and its decay products

104. Schistosoma haematobium (infection with)

105. Silica, crystalline (inhaled in the form of quartz or cristobalite from occupational sources)

106. Solar radiation

107. Talc containing asbestiform fibres

108. Tamoxifen

109. 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin

110. Thiotepa (1,1',1'-phosphinothioylidynetrisaziridine)

111. Thorium-232 and its decay products, administered intravenously as a colloidal dispersion of thorium-232 dioxide

112. Treosulfan

113. Ortho-toluidine

114. Vinyl chloride

115. Ultraviolet radiation

116. X-radiation and gamma radiation

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Whereas, for a list of all those things that Could Cause Cancer, see the Daily Mail. :D

http://dailymailoncology.tumblr.com/