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Depending on what other surveillance sources show maybe the black boxes aren't essential. Of course the Americans won't want to divulge too much of their capability so they may decide to keep certain information to themselves.

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The Russians have no claim to the flight recorder since the aircraft didn't come down in their territory. I expect that they will simply deny having it.

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From the BBC twitter account

Let me correct that "for reprogramming"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-28354787

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It was the last paragraph that contained the relevant info, that said it hasn't been mentioned since which is suspicious in itself, it's either bogus or someone trying to hide something, think I'll go with bogus until something credible crops up about how closed or unclosed the airspace should've been.

As for who done it I don't think it was rebels, imo it's either Russian or Ukranian military.

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The rebels have it and have said they'll cooperate fully...

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Apparently Eurocontrol confirmed that the restricted airspace was up to 32000 feet so they were just 1000 feet above. That's on the Grauniad news feed.

Jo Biden now saying that us intel detected a heat bloom from a missile launch.

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Not sure how genuine it is but there appears to be leaked audio of the pro-Russian rebels admitted they did it.

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That will disappear soon

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i'd be careful clicking on those links on reddit - bodies including children on some of them.

Whatever happend its terribly sad :(

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Good point. I have removed the link. It's just a Reddit thread but people can post whatever comments they want and it was the leaked transcript that was interesting but that's now been picked up by mainstream sources anyway.

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Just heard Putin blaming Ukraine as it happened on their territory and they're responsible for the current problem. No mention of the role Russia's played in snatching Crimea and stoking up problems elsewhere in Ukraine and supplying weapons as you'd expect... :rolleyes:

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According to the BBC there were quite a few of the top AIDS researchers on the plane on their way to a conference in Australia :(

"A "large number of world-renowned Aids researchers and activists" were on Flight MH17 heading to an international conference in Australia, AP reports from Sydney. Among them was former president of the International Aids Society Joep Lange, a well-known Dutch HIV researcher."

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Well, Putin must be quivering with fear at all the tough talk and the prospect of the EU having lots of discussions but doing precious little by way of meaningful sanctions. I can't see the Germans wanting to risk their energy supplies so see no prospect of them agreeing to anything which would really hit Russia.

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WWE criticised after 2 'Russian' stars made use of the crash at the PPV last night in the lead up to the match. Disgusting behaviour by the Board of WWE, this could be another blow to them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wrestlers.html

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Stay classy Sky.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-live-air.html