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Russ 09-11-2013 21:10
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35642710)
Those kind of people you're debating with tend to be BNP thinking yobs who think war and killing people is a glorious thing. I'm not looking at it like that I just don't think this guy should face life for his actions.
I've not seen anything to suggest they're BNP knuckle-draggers. The overall consensus is because they're one of "our boys" they should get special treatment.

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That is a very arrogant opinion although in the most part I agree with what you say however the level of his training as you lay out is just down from special forces if he can not do it right then there is something wrong imo
And an all-too-common opinion when it comes to matters relating to the forces. I'm not a football manager but does that mean I can't call it when David Moyes screws up?

martyh 09-11-2013 21:20
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35642718)
I've not seen anything to suggest they're BNP knuckle-draggers. The overall consensus is because they're one of "our boys" they should get special treatment.
Which in fairness is usually the attitude of people with little or no knowledge of how the armed forces think and work .
When i was in the RE's it was drilled into us from day one that pride in your regiment is paramount ,being a soldier of any rank in the British Forces (or any branch for that matter) meant being the best in the world and any soldier who did not have that attitude didn't last long and those that bought disrepute to the forces like the Marine has done will be dealt with ,there will be no leniency because he is "one of our boys" and nor should there be

Russ 09-11-2013 21:25
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35642724)
Which in fairness is usually the attitude of people with little or no knowledge of how the armed forces think and work .
When i was in the RE's it was drilled into us from day one that pride in your regiment is paramount ,being a soldier of any rank in the British Forces (or any branch for that matter) meant being the best in the world and any soldier who did not have that attitude didn't last long and those that bought disrepute to the forces like the Marine has done will be dealt with ,there will be no leniency because he is "one of our boys" and nor should there be
Spot on :clap:

adzii_nufc 09-11-2013 21:28
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I can't remember any SAS member being prosecuted for the Iranian embassy incident. That's part of the reason I'm annoyed they're thinking about life sentences.

The second being there would be riots if the insurgent had got up and killed this guy because he's not permitted to double tap.

tizmeinnit 09-11-2013 21:33
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35642730)
I can't remember any SAS member being prosecuted for the Iranian embassy incident. That's part of the reason I'm annoyed they're thinking about life sentences.

The second being there would be riots if the insurgent had got up and killed this guy because he's not permitted to double tap.
the Iranian Embassy incident was nothing like this. They held hostages the special forces went in and they put down the terrorists. They were under orders and followed them ( I assume)

adzii_nufc 09-11-2013 21:35
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35642735)
the Iranian Embassy incident was nothing like this. They held hostages the special forces went in and they put down the terrorists. They were under orders and followed them ( I assume)
They executed 2 unarmed insurgents that had surrendered. Pretty sure it's similar if not the same thing.

tizmeinnit 09-11-2013 21:38
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Oh and to those who say I know nothing cuz I have not been in that situation this guy knew exactly what he was doing and admitted it on camera

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It showed Marine A shooting the Afghan prisoner with a 9mm pistol, and saying: "There, shuffle off this mortal coil... It's nothing you wouldn't do to us."

He adds: "Obviously this doesn't go anywhere fellas. I just broke the Geneva Convention," to which Marine B replies: "Yeah, roger mate."


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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35642738)
They executed 2 unarmed insurgents that had surrendered. Pretty sure it's similar if not the same thing.
Did not know that I apologise however I thought the SAS on missions like this do not take prisoners anyway ?

martyh 09-11-2013 21:42
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35642740)
Oh and to those who say I know nothing cuz I have not been in that situation this guy knew exactly what he was doing and admitted it on camera?
And the same soldiers have most likely (given their combat experience)seen many friends and comrades blown to bits which are the unique circumstances i spoke of earlier and is the only reason why clemency must be shown in this case

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Did not know that I apologise however I thought the SAS on missions like this do not take prisoners anyway ?
You been watching too much telly ;)

tizmeinnit 09-11-2013 21:43
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35642746)
And the same soldiers have most likely (given their combat experience)seen many friends and comrades blown to bits which are the unique circumstances i spoke of earlier and is the only reason why clemency must be shown in this case
And soldiers know that there is a chance that they will be sent to war and they become professional . Revenge is a dangerous motive

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And the same soldiers have most likely (given their combat experience)seen many friends and comrades blown to bits which are the unique circumstances i spoke of earlier and is the only reason why clemency must be shown in this case

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You been watching too much telly ;)
Maybe and listening to Chris Ryan

I would not mind if that was the policy btw same as I would not mind if there was a similar policy in Afghanistan

My only issue is some think he should have special privileges same as the one who had the hand gun just because they were soldiers and they should not same as the cop who mowed down the girl and what Derek thought

Russ 09-11-2013 21:44
Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35642746)
And the same soldiers have most likely (given their combat experience)seen many friends and comrades blown to bits which are the unique circumstances i spoke of earlier and is the only reason why clemency must be shown in this case
Only if people on Civvy Street who have been through harrowing life experiences should also be shown the same clemency should they find themselves in court. I for one do not wish to live in a country with a two-tier legal system.

martyh 09-11-2013 21:49
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35642738)
They executed 2 unarmed insurgents that had surrendered. Pretty sure it's similar if not the same thing.
Agreed ,to me this highlights the rather ambiguous reasons we are in that god forsaken crap hole ,we are trying to be friends with people who would sooner see our soldiers blown up along with the rest of western civilisation and blokes like Marine A don't know where they stand .If we are at war then treat it like a war and go in and wipe the buggers out don't pussy foot about trying to be all pally pally with someone who just wants to blow your legs off

adzii_nufc 09-11-2013 21:49
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35642740)
Oh and to those who say I know nothing cuz I have not been in that situation this guy knew exactly what he was doing and admitted it on camera



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Did not know that I apologise however I thought the SAS on missions like this do not take prisoners anyway ?
I don't think the SAS ever take prisoners. I have mixed feelings about what they did though just as I do with this. By law they should have been punished.

Osem 09-11-2013 21:54
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And the same soldiers have most likely (given their combat experience)seen many friends and comrades blown to bits which are the unique circumstances i spoke of earlier and is the only reason why clemency must be shown in this case
Yes, it is murder but murder on the battlefield isn't the same as murder in a civilian context. It shouldn't be condoned or overlooked but the difference should be understood. I'd hate to think that in similar circumstances in the future, one of our soldiers hesitates because of this case and more of our brave forces are killed/maimed.

tizmeinnit 09-11-2013 21:58
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35642760)
Yes, it is murder but murder on the battlefield isn't the same as murder in a civilian context. It shouldn't be condoned or overlooked but the difference should be understood. I'd hate to think that in similar circumstances in the future, one of our soldiers hesitates because of this case and more of our brave forces are killed/maimed.
lets be honest it has probably happened lots and lots of times only this time some Richard filmed it

adzii_nufc 09-11-2013 22:00
Re: Marine killer deserves clemency
 
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35642762)
lets be honest it has probably happened lots and lots of times only this time some Richard filmed it
Very true.

Americans were nabbed urinating on a Taliban member because of someone filming it.


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