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Osem 19-08-2017 10:41
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All the benefits that the ships' construction and operation have brought to the shipyards etc and will bring in the future could've been achieved without the vast waste of money due to the flawed decision making, political dithering etc. Surely that would have been a better outcome for everyone concerned, including the taxpayer. Of course there are many past and existing beneficiaries of the contract but the fact remains that much needed money which could have been used to fund other military schemes was wasted. The MOD is a government department so is bound to be subject to political point scoring policy changes etc. It's also subject to a great deal of influence from high level forces personnel who rarely seem to agree on such matters and have vested interests in terms of securing resources for their own services. The MOD has presided over far too many costly mistakes in the past and they never seem to learn. Our servicemen pay the price.

Maggy 19-08-2017 12:12
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35913259)
All the benefits that the ships' construction and operation have brought to the shipyards etc and will bring in the future could've been achieved without the vast waste of money due to the flawed decision making, political dithering etc. Surely that would have been a better outcome for everyone concerned, including the taxpayer. Of course there are many past and existing beneficiaries of the contract but the fact remains that much needed money which could have been used to fund other military schemes was wasted. The MOD is a government department so is bound to be subject to political point scoring policy changes etc. It's also subject to a great deal of influence from high level forces personnel who rarely seem to agree on such matters and have vested interests in terms of securing resources for their own services. The MOD has presided over far too many costly mistakes in the past and they never seem to learn. Our servicemen pay the price.
Agree.However the MOD are subject to government decisions like every other department.

Chris 19-08-2017 13:25
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While I agree with the sentiment, I'm not so sure that the country, as a whole, is getting anything like its 'money's worth'. Keeping people gainfully employed must surely be secondary to national defence, yes?

An aircraft carrier that has no aircraft is useless. That is the bottom line.

This isn't a party-political thing, more of a MOD 'no-clue' thing and is an issue that will not be addressed while the underlying reasons for the abysmal planning and execution of this build are buried beneath partisan politics.

We are all paying for this travesty, no matter what our political affiliation may be.
You need to stop reading the whining left-wing Press. The aircraft carrier will have aircraft, both fixed and rotary-winged, on the day she needs them. There would be no point buying sufficient F-35Bs to station on board today. They come with big maintenance costs and for what? The ship isn't even commissioned yet, and even after it is it will take another year to 18 months to prove all her systems and her crew.

On the day that HMS Queen Elizabeth is fit to be deployed, she will have fighters and helicopters on board.

denphone 19-08-2017 14:01
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Here are some pictures courtesy of my younger brother of HMS Queen Elizabeth .

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denphone 19-08-2017 14:04
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And some more here.

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Mr K 19-08-2017 14:06
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35913262)
Agree.However the MOD are subject to government decisions like every other department.
No they're not, I've worked for them in the past. They hide/fudge from the Treasury under the cover of 'national security'. By the time the real costs are known the project is usually past the point of no return. No other Govt. dept would get away with it.


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