Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

you should of read the rest of the post

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

Yeah I read it but I'm waiting to see examples of these 'texts'.

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

seriously?! ok hold on I'll spoonfeed :rolleyes:

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I don't see what's wrong with asking people to cite sources for their claims on a forum...

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

take some interest and read it. i have.

http://ibn1brahim.wordpress.com/2008...-of-the-quran/

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

Thank you. Can you show me where it says to have in-fighting and violence within Islam? I'm having a bit of trouble locating that bit.

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

Theres 100s of pages. I remember reading parts where it states stuff about hypocrites saying one thing 'we're with you' but then doing something else, the Quran has the hypocrites down as the enemy.

look heres an example, youve got Anjem Choudary and his crew going round doing their thing, if then another Muslim approaches them and says calm down they will go on the defensive from the Qurans teaching, why are you not with us, if your not with us then youre the enemy. I don't know whether thats what happened here. im just saying their thinking is youre either with us or youre not, its very simplistic in that way. if the Quran says to fight the 'non-believer' then surely those who dont follow these groups are marked as 'non-believers'? there text that says the hypocrites stay at home or hide while the real believers go and fight.. again its a case of youre either in or out.

you have some Muslim parts like Sunni-Shia where one beleives one thing but the other believes theres more, like the final Prophet is said to be Mohammed by the Sunni but the Shia go further I think onto Ali. You have other parts like Wahhabism who are incredibly strict if im correct. you think about Iraq while troops were fighting heavily there was conflict between both Sunni-Shia, the same sort of conflict in Pakistan where the groups are killing each other. they blow up there own praying grounds, Mosques. its mental.

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

OK so you don't actually know of any part of Islam that says this sort of thing is required, fine. So what they're doing then is using their beliefs as the reason to have in-fighting, as opposed to their religion telling them this is what they must do.

Agreed?

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

No youre putting words in my mouth. A Muslim is required to fight for his/her beliefs.

Theres 100s of pages Russ. I'm not going to go through it all again. It will take me days, weeks to get through it all again. I cannot remember word for word. I just remember parts where it states what I've said already.

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

Fair enough but my point is there isn't anything in the Koran that says Muslim-on-Muslim violence is required or acceptable.

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There is. You have some people who are 'relaxed' Muslims if thats the correct word to use, by that I mean they don't go to extremes but follow parts of the Islamic faith. Others are extreme follows. The extreme lot would find the relaxed lot hypocrites.

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I wonder if that's what they would fight about?

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followers*

No the extreme fight for world domination.

Re: Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors fight other Muslim groups
 

No, I meant amongst themselves.

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No, there isn't. I've asked you to show me where it states that in the Koran and you've not been able to. I suggest this is because it doesn't actually say that but if you think otherwise then I'd be interested to what you can show me.