Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35521665)

yeah the poorest people struggling as it is has a rise under inflation meaning the minimum amount they need to live actually goes less far? really lucky aint they? Those who are really poor get poorer those that are not poor shop at Asda instead of Waitrose.

Some of you workers seem to think everyone on the dole is flush the reality really is quite different

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yeah man lets keep on doing what el gov want lets focus on the poor and sick and leave the rich tax avoiders alone its sweet that the spin works for them.

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some cases? did you not see the figures posted somewhere recently?


I will refresh. End of last year 2.52 million unemployed 476000 ( or similar figure its less than 500 000 ) ope jobs . 2 million people without a cat in hells chance of getting a job and you say a few are forced to live on JS. Please step into the real world because seriously you do not have clue about the reality of the situation. Also the figures are getting worse due to pretty much everyone moving from incap to esa having to end up signing on

Wake up and smell the coffee or please feel free to find 2 million jobs out of nowhere then your statement may be correct

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One council in Birmingham have already said the unemployed have to pay £200 towards CT

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35521687)

For "us workers" having a guaranteed source of income that is guaranteed to rise is considered flush ,as opposed to working 12 hrs a day with no pay rise for years and the risk of losing your job and security at a moments notice



no idea what that is meant to mean :confused:



some cases? did you not see the figures posted somewhere recently?




There is no justification for JS levels to rise faster than wages ,none whatsoever

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35521712)

Here in Cardiff they have mentioned AT LEAST 10% of the annual bill for unemployed, disabled or those on ESA. One group may not have to pay though, war pensioners.

They even had to recall the Welsh assembly (spit) from their Xmas break to get it voted in. If they had not voted it in, EVERYONE would have been liable to 100% of the bill.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35521749)

If you mean rise in line with inflation rather than faster yes there is. The government say that such and such an amount is the minimum to live on. Inflation rises 3% and the minimum does not grow the same then they are actually on less than they need to live on.

You workers on a decent wage ( I think the minimum wage is to low) or a living wage will be able to soak up a few quid a week a lot easier than someone with less money.

If you were to lose your job and struggle your views will most likely change

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35521758)

I am pointing at you workers who have been brainwashed into thinking the unemployed are all scroungers and being Cameron's little sheep. You appear to fall into that group imo

I mean no offense but I have faced real hardship and poverty in my life and you just do not have a clue as to how hard it is. Some think the unemployed live the life of Riley but they do not it frustrates me and El Gov have the blame for the economy and the hardest hit by cutbacks as the poorest in the country and its wrong

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35521758)

I am pointing at you workers who have been brainwashed into thinking the unemployed are all scroungers and being Cameron's little sheep. You appear to fall into that group imo

I mean no offense but I have faced real hardship and poverty in my life and you just do not have a clue as to how hard it is. Some think the unemployed live the life of Riley but they do not it frustrates me and El Gov have the blame for the economy and the hardest hit by cutbacks as the poorest in the country and its wrong

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35521767)

The fact you use a term such as "you workers", tells me all I need to know about you and your attitude.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35521611)

I would say that the evidence is staring us in the face ,maybe not in the form of figures and numbers of people jailed but the fact that benefit fraud is ongoing and persistent which in itself says that people have the perception that the system is there as an alternative lifestyle rather than a safety net .I and probably others here know teenage girls who have babies to get benefits and housing because they can't get jobs either because they don't want to or because of poor education ,it's a crackers system that invites fraud and misuse.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35521779)

that would make you ignorant then would it not as you are making assumptions not based on any facts

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35521836)

I'm making an assumption based on your rhetoric.

It would appear that you hold contempt for the working population of this country? either that or you are just very poor at expressing yourself via the written word.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35521881)

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