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thenry 24-11-2012 12:34
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35501380)
Please understand. th, I'm not defending CW and his annoying deflection from VM. It doesn't matter in this thread that we take most other advertising material with a pinch of salt - so his point was pointless - as usual.

But I can't agree with you entirely on BT/Sky fibre product offer being better than VM's.

As you know, I have both VM and Infinity. When I was on 40/10 I got 38/8. When they doubled the frequency, I'm lucky to get 55/10. So the copper run is still a gotcha for distances of 300m or more. hen I got upgraded earlier this month from 50 meg to 100 meg, I got/get the 100 meg. The architecture sees to that.

There is an argument (that I've used before too) that BT's fibre is new and adequately capacious. Now that VM are renewing fibre in their upgrade programme, this BT advantage falls away.

I do agree with you that VM can be fairly criticised for a shameful marketing trick of offering to double speeds on a faster timetable than they actually knoew would be possible, simply to counter BT's speed doubling on Infinity. That was cynical, misleading unworthy.
agreed but thats the only thing that seems to be holding BT/Sky back. Is this a case of rules being in place to cap or a techy distance issue? either way as soon as thats sorted with FTTP? BT/Sky will have a massive advantage. fibre quality is in BT/Skys corner as we know.

BT/Sky non VM lack the ability to bang out 76down/19up to everyone due to distance and VM lack capacity to bang out full whack speeds to everyone with utilization/capacity issues. does it balance out?

ferretuk 24-11-2012 12:52
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35501468)
Is this a case of rules being in place to cap or a techy distance issue?
Limitation of VDSL

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35501468)
either way as soon as thats sorted with FTTP?
I think you have a completely unrealistic expectation for FTTP being relevant in the mainstream domestic market any time soon...

thenry 24-11-2012 13:02
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
ok fair enough FTTP, costs etc,

could you please explain 'Limitation of VDSL' ?

ferretuk 24-11-2012 13:20
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35501480)
ok fair enough FTTP, costs etc,

could you please explain 'Limitation of VDSL' ?
Sephiroth already has...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35501380)
So the copper run is still a gotcha for distances of 300m or more.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35501468)
BT/Sky non VM lack the ability to bang out 76down/19up to everyone due to distance and VM lack capacity to bang out full whack speeds to everyone with utilization/capacity issues. does it balance out?
Arguably no as you're comparing a quantity of service with a quality of service.

Interesting article here about the 'need for speed' though...

Sephiroth 24-11-2012 14:14
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
@th

What the ferret says.

BeerCanSandwich 24-11-2012 14:37
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35501438)
Worst case scenario for infinity 15meg (they wont install when below that), and the reserved rate for each customer is 30mbit/sec. Worst case for VM much worse sub 1mbit.

So infinity in its worst case scenario remains useable for mainstream activities, VM doesnt.
Did you know "Infinity" is actually the name one ISP (BT Retail) choses to give to their FTTC (Fibre To The Cabinet) based package. Any ISP can offer FTTC and market it how they want, currently there are around 70. Refering to FTTC as Infinity tends to give people the impression you can only get this faster "Fibre" broadband through BT, which is of course untrue.

These days BT will offer FTTC on lines with estimates below 15Mb, they just don't call it "Infinity", they call it something like Extra Total Broadband. Other ISPs, ADSL24 for example, will provide FTTC with estimates above 5Mb.

Just wanted to clear those things up to prevent any misconception for readers.

thenry 24-11-2012 14:50
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
thanks.

carlwaring 24-11-2012 14:51
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35501458)
FFS Carl Waring!!!! Take it how you wish - but stop with the barridge of ridiculous postings demanding proof for everything including the World and his bloody Wife.
If you are happy to have opinions posted as fact then that's fine. I am not.

But I shall leave it there.

Sephiroth 24-11-2012 15:44
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
VM is on Watchdog for a reason. People's opinions became facts.

@CW

When I say that VM always know their capacity for infrastructure upgrades and you say that anything can happen after an announcement that displaces plans (not your actual words, but accurate) there is a balance of probability that favours my argument.

You, CW, AFAIK attend various VM functions or launches. Perhaps you could put the question directly to them: "When you announced your double speed upgrade plan, were you aware at the time that you were setting delivery expectations that couldn't be met?"

Mick's got it right asking you to stop these demands for proof. They are not a contribution - just an irritation.

I suspect that VM will not end up on Watchdog very often because from what I can see, they're beginning to deliver on their promises. There will always be disgruntled customers but I have evidence that VM are putting in hand proper capacity planning policies.

carlwaring 24-11-2012 16:09
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35501569)
You, CW, AFAIK attend various VM functions or launches.
A grand total of one; once :rolleyes:

Not sure why some people keep bringing this up. Though I suspect jealousy might play some part.

Like I said. I'm not commenting further.

thenry 24-11-2012 16:22
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
jealousy? how many times do you need telling that you come across as some PR guy for VM? I support VM, I've made that pretty clear yet I've ranted so much you would say I'm anti-VM when in fact I want the best from VM.

horseman 24-11-2012 17:29
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35501569)
…. but I have evidence that VM are putting in hand proper capacity planning policies.
Oh please Carl - let me…let me… my turn! Ouch! ….<limping off with vicious meerkat bite….mumbling "differientiated capacity planning models">…..sob….
:dunce:

Sephiroth 24-11-2012 17:32
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by horseman (Post 35501622)
Oh please Carl - let me…let me… my turn! Ouch! ….<limping off with vicious meerkat bite….mumbling "differientiated capacity planning models">…..sob….
:dunce:
You squawked, Horse?

qasdfdsaq 24-11-2012 18:10
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35501423)
Well can you? So far all we have is your opinion on the matter. Which is fine. We all have opinions.
The difference is, some peoples opinions are less ignorant and stupid than others.

Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35501423)
Blah blah blah repetitive jibberish

<rage rage rage>

But I shall leave it there.

<rage again>

Like I said. I'm not commenting further.

<rage some more>
And this is why nobody gives a damn about your opinion.

---------- Post added at 18:10 ---------- Previous post was at 18:08 ----------

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35501429)
Do you have that as a standard reply on one of your F keys :rolleyes:
He also has another standard reply of denial whenever anyone asks him to prove any of his own claims.

This is getting repetitive. I'm sure the world will be a better place if we all just ignored the troll, electronically or otherwise.

VM have been on Watchdog. So have BT. Yipedy****ingdoodleyay. Now can we discuss it in peace without some twerp coming in and raging about how life is so unfair?

thenry 24-11-2012 18:19
Re: VM on Watchdog
 
you know hes going to report you now and the CF team will have to have a meeting.


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