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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Thanks Mick. From what tech support have said, is it looking likely that its just a borked modem (even though it works fine most of the time) or something between the modem and street cabinet?
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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Getting some wild upstream power fluctuations today.
20/9/11 13:00 Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 2 Upstream Frequency : 22200000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QAM16 Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 53.5 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 13:35 Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 2 Upstream Frequency : 22200000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QAM16 Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 44.0 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 Lost sync 14:50. Re-sync 14:56. Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 1 Upstream Frequency : 18800000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QPSK Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 48.0 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 Cable Modem Event Log First Time Last Time Priority Description Tue Sep 20 13:55:37 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:37 2011 Information (7) CableModem software upgrade failed Tue Sep 20 13:55:37 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:37 2011 Error (4) SW upgrade Failed after download - Incompatible SW file Tue Sep 20 13:55:37 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:37 2011 Information (7) SW dload: Invalid image signature! Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Notice (6) SW Download INIT - Via Config file 3254k;fg87dsfd;kfoA, Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) CableModem software download started Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) Software upgrade has started. Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) A software upgrade filename was specified in the config file. Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) Authorized Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) Registration complete! Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) We registered with a DOCSIS 1.1 config file! Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) Received a REG-RSP message from the CMTS... Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) Sending a REG-REQ to the CMTS... Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:34 2011 Information (7) CableModem SNMP configure complete Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Information (7) IP init completed ok Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Information (7) CableModem TFTP init ok Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Information (7) CableModem DHCP client init ok Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:33 2011 Critical (3) DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. Tue Sep 20 13:55:26 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:26 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 13:55:25 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:25 2011 Information (7) Beginning initial ranging... Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Error (4) No initial ranging response from CMTS. Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Critical (3) Init RANGING Critical Ranging Request Retries exhausted Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:22 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 13:55:17 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:17 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 13:55:17 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:17 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 13:55:16 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:16 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 13:55:16 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:16 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:15 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 13:55:09 2011 Tue Sep 20 13:55:09 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Lost sync 15:10. Re-sync 15:15. Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 1 Upstream Frequency : 18800000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QPSK Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 42.0 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 Cable Modem Event Log First Time Last Time Priority Description Tue Sep 20 14:14:48 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:48 2011 Information (7) CableModem software upgrade failed Tue Sep 20 14:14:48 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:48 2011 Error (4) SW upgrade Failed after download - Incompatible SW file Tue Sep 20 14:14:48 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:48 2011 Information (7) SW dload: Invalid image signature! Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Notice (6) SW Download INIT - Via Config file 54k;fg87dsfd;kfoA,.i Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Information (7) CableModem software download started Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Information (7) Software upgrade has started. Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Information (7) A software upgrade filename was specified in the config file. Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:45 2011 Information (7) Authorized Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) Registration complete! Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) We registered with a DOCSIS 1.1 config file! Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) Received a REG-RSP message from the CMTS... Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) Sending a REG-REQ to the CMTS... Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) CableModem SNMP configure complete Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) IP init completed ok Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) CableModem TFTP init ok Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:44 2011 Information (7) CableModem DHCP client init ok Tue Sep 20 14:14:43 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:43 2011 Critical (3) DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. Tue Sep 20 14:14:37 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:37 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 14:14:32 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:32 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 14:14:32 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:32 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 14:14:26 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:26 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 14:14:26 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:26 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 14:14:21 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:21 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 14:14:21 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:21 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 14:14:15 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:15 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 14:14:15 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:15 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 14:14:13 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:13 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 14:14:13 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:13 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 14:14:09 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:09 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 14:14:09 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:09 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Tue Sep 20 14:14:05 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:05 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Tue Sep 20 14:14:05 2011 Tue Sep 20 14:14:05 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received 15:24, upstream power dropped to 36.0 dBmV. Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 1 Upstream Frequency : 18800000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QPSK Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 36.0 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 15:31, upstream power dropped to 25.0 dBmV. Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 1 Upstream Frequency : 18800000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QPSK Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 25.0 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 15:37, upstream power rise to 31.5 dBmV. Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 1 Upstream Frequency : 18800000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QPSK Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 31.5 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 Been keeping a bit of a log to show the engineer. |
Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Your probably all getting bored of me posting endless stats and logs :D, but I've noticed something new today. Lost sync a few minutes ago and when it re-synced, I noticed that the downstream recieve power level had gone up 1.5 dBmV, although still well within spec. Now the downstream throughout this saga has been very stable, so why the sudden jump up?
Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 1 Upstream Frequency : 18800000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QPSK Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 48.0 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 Cable Modem Downstream Downstream Lock : Locked Downstream Channel Id : 6 Downstream Frequency : 330750000 Hz Downstream Modulation : QAM256 Downstream Symbol Rate : 5360.537 Ksym/sec Downstream Interleave Depth : taps32Increment4 Downstream Receive Power Level : 3.6 dBmV Downstream SNR : 37.6 dB Cable Modem Event Log First Time Last Time Priority Description Wed Sep 21 11:28:59 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:59 2011 Information (7) CableModem software upgrade failed Wed Sep 21 11:28:59 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:59 2011 Error (4) SW upgrade Failed after download - Incompatible SW file Wed Sep 21 11:28:59 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:59 2011 Information (7) SW dload: Invalid image signature! Wed Sep 21 11:28:57 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:57 2011 Notice (6) SW Download INIT - Via Config file k;fg87dsfd;kfoA,.iye Wed Sep 21 11:28:57 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:57 2011 Information (7) CableModem software download started Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) Software upgrade has started. Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) A software upgrade filename was specified in the config file. Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) Authorized Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) Registration complete! Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) We registered with a DOCSIS 1.1 config file! Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) Received a REG-RSP message from the CMTS... Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) Sending a REG-REQ to the CMTS... Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) CableModem SNMP configure complete Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) IP init completed ok Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:56 2011 Information (7) CableModem TFTP init ok Wed Sep 21 11:28:46 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:46 2011 Information (7) CableModem DHCP client init ok Wed Sep 21 11:28:46 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:46 2011 Critical (3) DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response. Wed Sep 21 11:28:41 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:41 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Wed Sep 21 11:28:34 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:34 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Wed Sep 21 11:28:34 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:34 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Wed Sep 21 11:28:29 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:29 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Wed Sep 21 11:28:28 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:28 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Wed Sep 21 11:28:22 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:22 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Wed Sep 21 11:28:22 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:22 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Wed Sep 21 11:28:16 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:16 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Wed Sep 21 11:28:16 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:16 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Wed Sep 21 11:28:13 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:13 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Wed Sep 21 11:28:13 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:13 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Wed Sep 21 11:28:07 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:07 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Wed Sep 21 11:28:07 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:07 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received Wed Sep 21 11:28:04 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:04 2011 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out Wed Sep 21 11:28:04 2011 Wed Sep 21 11:28:04 2011 Information (7) MAP w/initial maintenance region received |
Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Temperature has dropped significantly so that might be the cause. But your upstream is still problematic and any problems you are having are likely to be due to a noisy upstream.
VM need to fix this. |
Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Just had the engineer round, who was a friendly bloke and he told me that it was an area wide problem that they have been trying to sort for the last few weeks. He's already had 6 calls this morning about the same problem from this area. He also checked the power levels which typically have been fine since last Thursday. He left me his mobile number as well so if it drops again and stays off, he could be here much quicker than booking another engineer. Just got to be patient and wait for them to sort it.
On a slightly different note but still related, we've been thinking of upgrading to 30Mb. I know this would put me on to a DOCSIS 3 platform (along with having the Superhub) but would it help alleviate the issues I've been having? Would there still be the issue of a dodgy upstream? |
Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
The upstream could be dodgy if, for example, the noise is caused in a common part of the network - this goes all the way up to your optical node where there could be tired lasers.
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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
you might as well upgrade enduring these issues. i'm sure vm will be nice enough to sort something out for you.
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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
I did actually ring them up earlier via retentions and asked them what sort of deal they could do me. They just quoted the standard new customer price plus the £30 activation fee. I didn't push it any further as I'm not the account holder so need to discuss it with them. If everything is ok, I'll probably ring up again tomorrow and push harder for a better deal.
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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Bah, not getting anywhere with retentions. They don't seem interested in doing any sort of deals. I've no idea how other people seem to squeeze some decent deals out of them.
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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Probably because deals were common when nobody had much of them back in the day, but not so now.
It all depends on how much you can backfoot them into a deal. Don't take no for an answer. The olde "I want a refund for all the trouble I have had over these last weeks or months" is always a good one, but obviously don't accept the usual crappy £5 sorry credit, explain that you have problems for a long time now and £5 doesn't cover that time. And if they say sure have 30mb and we will send out the Superhub. Ask them on the phone to make sure they reiterate that it will not cost you anything extra, as in activation fee etc. If they say it won't then go ahead, and if they do charge you at least you have something to fall back on to complain about. |
Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Alternatively rather than tie yourself into a new contract with a potentially dodgy service wait until 01/03/2012 when you should get access to BT's FTTC solution.
Have a look at http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNNP Seems odd to me complaining about having issues by agreeing a new contract with a supplier for the sake of saving a few quid. |
Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Sorry to bring this thread back to the top again but I've just started getting these messages again. Although this time, I believe I may have a cause. Its just been pouring down with rain here (still is infact) and where the cable runs under a narrow strip of gravel at the front, is a little waterlogged now. I know for a fact that the cable isn't in any trunking. Can the fact that the cable is effectively sitting in water cause this issue? Everything appear to be working as normal, its just these messages coming up frequently again.
Cable Modem Event Log First Time Last Time Priority Description Fri Nov 04 16:32:27 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:32:27 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:32:27 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:32:27 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:30:39 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:30:39 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:30:39 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:30:39 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:30:22 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:30:22 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:30:22 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:30:22 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:30:06 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:30:06 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:30:06 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:30:06 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:29:46 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:29:46 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:29:46 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:29:46 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:29:28 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:29:28 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:29:28 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:29:28 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:29:10 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:29:10 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:29:10 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:29:10 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:28:10 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:28:10 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:28:10 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:28:10 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:26:16 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:26:16 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:26:16 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:26:16 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:25:59 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:25:59 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:25:59 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:25:59 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:24:56 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:24:56 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:24:56 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:24:56 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:24:27 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:24:27 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:24:27 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:24:27 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:24:03 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:24:03 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:24:03 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:24:03 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:22:40 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:22:40 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:22:40 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:22:40 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:22:21 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:22:21 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:22:21 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:22:21 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Fri Nov 04 16:22:04 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:22:04 2011 Information (7) New UCD in effect Fri Nov 04 16:22:04 2011 Fri Nov 04 16:22:04 2011 Information (7) Starting on-the-fly UCD change. Cable Modem Upstream Upstream Lock : Locked Upstream Channel ID : 3 Upstream Frequency : 25800000 Hz Upstream Modulation : QAM16 Upstream Symbol Rate : 2560 Ksym/sec Upstream transmit Power Level : 43.0 dBmV Upstream Mini-Slot Size : 2 Cable Modem Downstream Downstream Lock : Locked Downstream Channel Id : 6 Downstream Frequency : 330750000 Hz Downstream Modulation : QAM256 Downstream Symbol Rate : 5360.537 Ksym/sec Downstream Interleave Depth : taps32Increment4 Downstream Receive Power Level : 0.5 dBmV Downstream SNR : 35.2 dB |
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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Must be just coincidence then, started getting the messages at the same time it started pouring down.
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Re: New UCD in effect - anything to worry about?
Doesn't mean there aren't problems elsewhere with an open connection to water, could even have been increased use of lighting or whatever putting noise onto the network but it's not likely to be the actual cable itself.
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