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Digital Fanatic 14-03-2011 13:15

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35192602)
Does VM's VoD movie service get much business? It just seems quite expensive for what it offers.

yeah, it does well. It offers convenience I guess.

muppetman11 14-03-2011 13:45

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35192602)
Does VM's VoD movie service get much business? It just seems quite expensive for what it offers.

To be fair though most of the pay per view movie services are overpriced , Sky Box office is , Filmflex is , the PS3 service is.

passingbat 14-03-2011 14:01

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35192623)
To be fair though most of the pay per view movie services are overpriced , Sky Box office is , Filmflex is , the PS3 service is.

I'd like a movie subscription service like the music ones, where you pay a fixed monthly fee and you can stream as much as you want. I do that with Napster for music.

I'm not sure if it will ever happen for movies though?

TheDon 14-03-2011 14:30

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35192629)
I'd like a movie subscription service like the music ones, where you pay a fixed monthly fee and you can stream as much as you want. I do that with Napster for music.

I'm not sure if it will ever happen for movies though?

It does in America, and there's several not as good options over here. But honestly, Sky is preventing it from happening properly over here.

They have exclusive first run subscription on demand movie rights tied up with all the major studios so people just can't get the deals in place to make it viable. That's something that's been refereed to the competition commission though, so maybe in the future we'll see that change.

BenJSmyth 14-03-2011 14:45

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 35192642)
It does in America, and there's several not as good options over here. But honestly, Sky is preventing it from happening properly over here.

They have exclusive first run subscription on demand movie rights tied up with all the major studios so people just can't get the deals in place to make it viable. That's something that's been refereed to the competition commission though, so maybe in the future we'll see that change.

I think it's outrageous that Sky have on demand movie rights when they don't even have an on demand service to offer it! That is something the competition commission need to stamp out straight away. That is pure and simply preventing anyone else from offering the content. If Sky were offering the content then perhaps it'd be a little easier to stomach, but they are depriving consumers the right to choose.

Hopefully with Amazon now full owners of Lovefilm, they will be able to challenge Sky. Maybe VM and Amazon should work together for it. Then the Lovefilm service could be provided across the Tivo platform.

muppetman11 14-03-2011 14:56

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by BenJSmyth (Post 35192652)
I think it's outrageous that Sky have on demand movie rights when they don't even have an on demand service to offer it! That is something the competition commission need to stamp out straight away. That is pure and simply preventing anyone else from offering the content. If Sky were offering the content then perhaps it'd be a little easier to stomach, but they are depriving consumers the right to choose.

Hopefully with Amazon now full owners of Lovefilm, they will be able to challenge Sky. Maybe VM and Amazon should work together for it. Then the Lovefilm service could be provided across the Tivo platform.

Sky do offer movies on demand via Anytime and anytime+ as well as Sky Player admittedly it is only available to Sky customers though.

richard1960 14-03-2011 15:04

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35192655)
Sky do offer movies on demand via Anytime and anytime+ as well as Sky Player admittedly it is only available to Sky customers though.

Sky do buy up exclusive VOD rights though which stops anybody else being able to do deals i am thinking about first run movies ect which ofcom i believe have now passed onto the competition comission to look into.

Sky in this way try to stifle competition and that also helps to keep prices high sadly.:(

muppetman11 14-03-2011 15:54

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35192661)
Sky do buy up exclusive VOD rights though which stops anybody else being able to do deals i am thinking about first run movies ect which ofcom i believe have now passed onto the competition comission to look into.

Sky in this way try to stifle competition and that also helps to keep prices high sadly.:(

I agree that's not right however , the movie companies are also partly to blame as well IT'S CALLED GREED.

Stephen 14-03-2011 15:58

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
I am sure VMs moviex are now 48hr rentals and not the old 24hr.

Also there is Picturebox at £5 a month and that is unlimited viewing, although mostly older movies but still some good ones.

Digital Fanatic 14-03-2011 16:03

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35192675)
I am sure VMs moviex are now 48hr rentals and not the old 24hr.

Also there is Picturebox at £5 a month and that is unlimited viewing, although mostly older movies but still some good ones.

Yeah FilmFlex is 48 hour rental .. I sub to PictureBox, it does have a few older movies, but most are HD, so it's good value. :)

passingbat 14-03-2011 16:21

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
I tried Picture box when it first launched, but not much of the selection appealed to me. HD was good but it only had a stereo soundtrack. That's a while back, so they may have improoved the selection now.

In the end, I decided on blueray rentals from Lovefilm. Their free streaming content is not too bad, but tends to be older films (the well known ones, anyway). Again only stereo sound though. But considering it's free with your subscription, it's good.

Ideally (for me), Lovefilm should launch an HD monthly subscription service and VM should carry it via Tivo. I think it could be a while before that happens though,

richard1960 14-03-2011 16:26

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35192673)
I agree that's not right however , the movie companies are also partly to blame as well IT'S CALLED GREED.

Yes that is the case! However adding sky and the movie companies together = double greed, sky cannot supply VOD to a large part of their sub base due to phone line restrctions, or many subs not having a box that supports the service ,but the sheer power of their bank account makes sure nobody else can either competition commisson please do your job.:)

OLD BOY 15-03-2011 20:42

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35192685)
I tried Picture box when it first launched, but not much of the selection appealed to me. HD was good but it only had a stereo soundtrack. That's a while back, so they may have improoved the selection now.

In the end, I decided on blueray rentals from Lovefilm. Their free streaming content is not too bad, but tends to be older films (the well known ones, anyway). Again only stereo sound though. But considering it's free with your subscription, it's good.

Ideally (for me), Lovefilm should launch an HD monthly subscription service and VM should carry it via Tivo. I think it could be a while before that happens though,

I have Picture Box and it's a bit mediocre really with not an awful lot of choice.

It would be good if the rights issue could be sorted out and the streaming of TV programmes and films given to providers on a non exclusive basis, separate from linear TV rights.

Maybe the market will sort itself out without the need for regulation.

ntl.wotcha 20-03-2011 14:19

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35192613)
yeah, it does well. It offers convenience I guess.

Hardly a significant differential to most postal services. I have a couple of BluRays drop through my letter box each week for just £2 a go. Unlimited rental period too. And the worst inconvenience is I have to walk to the post box at the end of the street to send them back. To be honest I could do with the excercise ! :D

As for Tivo being a weapon agaisnt Sky, well isn't it a bit like buying a super new gun and then handing over all the ammo to the enemy ? The Tivo box is useless without the content. I suppose Brandson could walk round the Sky office and bosh the receptionist over the head with it ;)

muppetman11 20-03-2011 14:23

Re: Richard Branson believes TiVo is a "weapon" against Sky
 
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Originally Posted by ntl.wotcha (Post 35196218)
Hardly a significant differential to most postal services. I have a couple of BluRays drop through my letter box each week for just £2 a go. Unlimited rental period too. And the worst inconvenience is I have to walk to the post box at the end of the street to send them back. To be honest I could do with the excercise ! :D

As for Tivo being a weapon agaisnt Sky, well isn't it a bit like buying a super new gun and then handing over all the ammo to the enemy ? The Tivo box is useless without the content. I suppose Brandson could walk round the Sky office and bosh the receptionist over the head with it ;)

My thoughts exactly while I do believe TIVO could be a great product , I can't see VM trumping Sky on content anytime soon.


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