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sorry but I wrongly expected a Cable group to have strong anti-establishment feelings, and not be a bunch of arselickers, my mistake....

Ok so VM/sky technology has got u beat at present, you will just have to try harder.....

On a broader front my only real beef against the *******s is the National Heritage Sporting events that they shouldn't be able to cover exclusively , like the Ashes, and all England footie. They wouldn't be able outbid all comers but for their massive overcharging due to monopoly status

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Here you need this

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Sounds like the same kind of hit and run business that's been running in satellite circles for the past couple of years. Sell them a box to watch 'free' TV for a month then close the server claiming legal or other random reasons, leaving the gullible fools with another doorstop for their collection with no recourse because their activity is illegal.

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The rumour is they have to buy a new box each year which is how they make the money on it.

I would not trust them as the server that feeds them can be detected and shut down or attacked ecm wise. There could even be some form of counter measures or tracking done via the isp should the spoon fed numpties be using there vm supplied broadband. All vm would need to do is buy a box and then trace the server where it is getting its info from and have a look at what that data looks like. The rest would be easy i am sure.

Ignitionnet would be able to say if what i have posted is at all possible

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Perhaps if you'd care to make some kind of sense I'd be able to see your point better.

I'm unsure why being a cable related forum would be related to being anti-establishment. I'm guessing your major exposure to 'Cable groups' has been the forums devoted to stealing service. They aren't anti-establishment for the most part just a bunch of chavs who don't want to pay for pay TV / broadband service and expect other people to pay for them.

So again if you'd care to offer some kind of explanation why UK cable using industry standard conditional access systems as used on satellite and cable networks from the USA to Europe to Asia reflect in some way on the UK government's ability to carry out surveillance on us that would be great.

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Why?

If you want the service pay for it, if you don't want to pay you don't get the service. You know, this is how it works, you don't walk into a store and help yourself to the product, you don't 'try harder' to steal the goods from the shelf, you don't 'try harder' to steal cable or satellite service just as you don't try harder to steal anything else. You wouldn't walk into a store and help yourself to their stock, same thing.

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There's a difference between a cable group and a cable stealing group. I'm sure you can see the differences.

That said you asked a question in your OP which was answered politely.

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Actually Nagra 3 has the whole cable theaving community beat. Worldwide.

We are not a cable group as you put it. Nor do we pretend to be. We are a forum dedicated to providing help for customers who need it legitimately.

Does stealing cable help fight *Sky's* domination of Sports television? If so, how? Bearing in mind that theft of On Digital didn't.

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Even if vm didn't, what would be there to stop the people running the server just moving the service to another server and demanding more money? The people running the server probably have no contact with the customer, so they don't care too much about reputation.

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I think you are very wrong there Stuart. You'd be surprised.

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What about? Nagra3 being beaten? Or people running these servers suddenly switching off the service? As I understand it, Nagra 3 can be temporarily defeated by using these servers, but that's not a permanent solution.

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Nagra 3 encryption has not been cracked by any of the "groups" however there are a couple of "groups" in this country who care very much about their rep.

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I didn't say all the groups are like that. Even if they aren't, if VM finds the server and gets it disabled, there is a chance that a lot of people have lost their £160..

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I don't actually care. My freeview box does me.:D

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I can see that if you hack a cable feed you are in fact stealing.
But for satellite feed that is different in nature as they are broadcasting it freely to open air, which can be intercepted and used, the fact that it needs decrypting may not be relevant, Murdoch is polluting the air with these signals, he has already given them away??

Andrew

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:LOL: I have heard it all now

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Are you for real. :eek:

On that basis every time you use your mobile phone, and "pollute the air with those signals" it would be OK for us to listen in and even start to talk to your mates.