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Actually, it's worse. It's the average wage before tax. But yes, it needs stamping out.

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We manage not always great but enough for saying i am not working and now never likely too. I have always agreed the benefit culture needs stopping and that there are some on it who have no real need or reason to be on it bar they make a choice to not work. I am worried as are most genuine claimants that a nice big wide brush is going to be applied to the system in order to clear out quite obvious problems within it.

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That's the problem though; Everyone agrees abuse of the system must stop and only genuine claimants receive benefit but the problem is defining a genuine claimant and tackling the system without impacting on the innocent.

This is an example of how 'genuine claimant' is difficult to define:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...nadine-dorries

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The reality though is that most attempts to tackle abuse end up hurting many genuine claimants.

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That shouldn't deter the government from trying.

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We have the usual load of apologisers for the Tories coming out from under their stones, the country was put in this mess by their friends, the international bankers, and their casino type lending to countries and people who, could not hope to pay it back,but they still trousered the obscene bonuses their Ladbrokes mentality got them, as for benefits, the U.K. has the lowest benefit payments in Europe,and if thatchers children really want to get some money back, go after the "Tax Avoiders" like Danny Alexander;who said his flat in London was his second home, benefit=£37,000 allowances, but his main home to the taxman-doesn't pay Capital-Gains tax, or Sir Philip Green, put his company in the wife's name,=Tax-Free £12,000,000 dividend, so go after the REAL benefit thieves and believe me, there are plenty of them, look in the Tory, Lib-dem, and and Labour parties,and big business, I don't think the mrs mopps and the other working- class black economy mob are in the same League as the Real Scroungers that seem to infest these pages will trot out the usual rubbish about benefit thieves, but i bet most of them are tax avoiders.

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Remember, Mrs Punctuation and Master Appropriate-Spacing are Mr Easy-To-Read's friends.....

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wow £15 quid a week! don't think the receipent gets the dough in their hands, it goes to council, bang goes that£15 quid :dunce:

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Thought we wre disgusting beneefits, not educaton, p.s. donut wurry peepul wull get the drft;)

Re: Unemployed Families Face Cap On Benefits
 

I was trying to be helpful - if you want to get your message across, it is more likely if it is easy to read and understand.

Or perhaps you were just having a rant?

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What's wrong with Tax avoidance?

If I knew of a loophole to avoid tax, I'd use it.

rather than "go after" the tax avoiders, close the loophole.

If you run a system that can be taken advantage, don't start crying when people take advantage of it.

Now tax evasion, is different.

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DWP page on Local Housing Allowance
So who's the :dunce:?

Eg if the rent is £90/week and the LHA rate for the area is £105 or more then the claimant gets £105/week(£15 extra). If the LHA rate was £100/week then they would get £100/week(£10 extra).

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What's the difference? so if people take advantage of the benefit system without the help of sleezy accountants they're wrong, but on the other hand tax avoiders do the same with accountants it's o k, so what you crying about somebody who does a wee job on the side, as YOU say, take advantage of it; its All tax evasion mate!

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don't know anyone who gets h.b. in their hand, as for spouting Gov lit,at me, cant you think for yourself, I'm not really interested in Gobbleday gook.:dunce:

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HB can be paid to the tenant or the landlord... it's up to the tenant... which is why so many landlords are being stiffed payments month after month until they go through an expensive legal procedure to get the defaulting tenants out.

It's common practice amongst the Czech Roma hereabouts. I know because I have known then gleefully withholding rent to spend it on booze, sporty but clapped-out cars, and widescreen TVs. They have found a way to get free accomodation for extended periods... but landlords are spreading the word amongst themselves (only to have the race card thrown at them for refusing to rent to Czech Roma).

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most people will understand, darling:p:

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The current system is ridiculously skewed towards benefit dependency and having to claim for so many different things. As the whole system is so bureaucratic it makes for too many ways to abuse the system and too many ways for people to fall between the cracks and lose out.

I get most annoyed with those talking about "child poverty" who seem to think throwing money at the poor will actually do anything about this. There must be more effective and better ways of improving the lot of children directly, which ensures the help needed actually reaches the ones who need it. All that seems to have happened with it so far is creating families who are better off claiming than working.