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Re: I wonder how far this will go

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 35001604)

you do realise that only a little over 20 years ago what you paid the council was called rates do you not? it was then called Poll Tax which fell flat on its arse and is now called Council Tax. Does the fact that you end up in magistrates court not demonstrate that its not really a tax at all? but still the same Rates as you mentioned that dates back 800 years

Yes and the rates went to the council same as the council tax... hence the layperson took this stance.. If it was a real tax and not just a local charge that's supported through parliment then he wouldn't of been able to do what he did

Re: I wonder how far this will go

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 35001605)

Scots law is completely different to English/Welsh law. There are plenty of crimes up here that are pretty important covered by statute.
AFAIK almost all crimes, if not all, are covered by statute in Englandshire.

well Murder has to be the most important law of all and thats common law so thats enough for me lol

TBH I know nothing about the law I just see this as a little guy standing up to what I see as an out of date corrupt system and I thought fair play to him.

Re: I wonder how far this will go

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35001587)

There was a perfectly good lawyer there charging Â£400 an hour for in this case doing nothing, instead of standing there grinning like an idiot she could have at least phoned her office to find out if anyone knows, mind you that might have been what she was grinning at, the prospect of charging another few hundred quid to find out for them.

Yes, but she would know very little about constitutional matters and the how the authority of the courts relates to ancient and common law. But then, she would have got paid either way, but I don't think a local council will pay staff solicitors four hundred pounds an hour (another little trick by the narrator to suggest misuse of public money). That said, if this was prosecuted further, it would have been an option to charge the defendant, as well as his very misguided counsel (and quite rightly so), the full costs of the prosecution anyway.

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 35001586)

After forcing myself to watch and listen to it and resisting the urge to throw myself off the nearest tall building my impression remains that the 'freemen' are full of self-importance and the cops didn't want to create a scene.

The courts powers and responsibilities have evolved over time and they seem to be harking back to ages past. Next they'll be killing Welshmen with bows and arrows within city walls and claiming thats allowed.

Oh and am I the only one who finds it amusing that it's an English freeman causing the fuss in a Welsh court?

Oh, we are so in sync here, it's frightening. :LOL:

Throughout this, I was forever wandering, why are they proudly declaring their Englishness in a Welsh court.

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 35001589)

I thought he meant commercial as in people involved make money. Magistrates get paid etc? I didnt think he meant commercial like county courts etc

I think this was his intention, to suggest that there was some nefarious profit being made by the courts.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35001613)

Throughout this, I was forever wandering, why are they proudly declaring their Englishness in a Welsh court.

It's not an issue to be English in Wales you know, thought someone of your knowledge would have been aware of that? English people do use our courts too.

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That was not the point. It was their Englishness which they were professing in a Welsh court. As though, because they were English, they were exempt from Welsh jurisdiction.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35001623)

That was not the point. It was their Englishness which they were professing in a Welsh court. As though, because they were English, they were exempt from Welsh jurisdiction.

At no point did they give the impression the fact they were English made them any different from a Welsh person in court. English law covers Welsh courts too and just about the only difference in our courts that I can think of is we can demand a trial take place in Welsh.

Re: I wonder how far this will go

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35001625)

I did not suggest that what they were saying was right, it is just the impression the whole thing gave me. Not just from the video footage, but from the comments attached to the web page.

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dont think there is any English Welsh thing going on

they are trying to not recognize the court by not standing as supposedly these courts can only work if you consent to be tried in them which there does seem to be some legal standing for ( no pun intended but its funny any way lol )

i dont have an opinion either way but its quite fascinating that no one has tried to do anything about the filming or the disruption to the court if there is no real lawful way of doing what they did

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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 35003558)

but its quite fascinating that no one has tried to do anything about the filming or the disruption to the court if there is no real lawful way of doing what they did

I think they would need to identify the person who filmed the case and I cant see that happening.

As pertaining to the law, if a law no matter how old has not been superseded then its still in fact law. There may be thousands of "olde" laws of the land that could still be used for and against judicial, government and monarchy. All it takes is a guy\girl with enough smarts to dig up the relevant law & make sure its still in force.

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not saying there isn't thats why i am wondering how far it will go ( and i think they know who filmed most of it ;) )