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papa smurf 03-04-2010 17:12
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Jewish groups and victims of sex abuse by Catholic priests have condemned the Pope's preacher for comparing criticism of the pontiff to anti-Semitism.

US-based abuse victims' group Snap said the remarks were "morally wrong".

The head of Germany's Central Council of Jews described the Easter sermon as unprecedented "insolence".



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8601389.stm

Earl of Bronze 03-04-2010 17:13
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34993893)
and yet who saved many more Jews than any one else during WWII.
And yet the Roman Catholic church in Germany opened its records to allow even greater persecution of the jews, and people with jewish blood via marriage. So please, don't try making the Curia, and the Roman Catholic as a whole into the champions of the jews during WW2. Many of the worst offenders when it came to the Holocaust where Catholics, who where never excommunicated for their crimes.... The Roman catholic church was happy enough to cozy up to fascism to ensure its religious primacy. But was more than willing to excommunicate every godless (catholic) communist....

TheDaddy 03-04-2010 17:25
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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34993918)
And yet the Roman Catholic church in Germany opened its records to allow even greater persecution of the jews, and people with jewish blood via marriage. So please, don't try making the Curia, and the Roman Catholic as a whole into the champions of the jews during WW2. Many of the worst offenders when it came to the Holocaust where Catholics, who where never excommunicated for their crimes.... The Roman catholic church was happy enough to cozy up to fascism to ensure its religious primacy. But was more than willing to excommunicate every godless (catholic) communist....
Religious primacy pfft, you do know that the organised Catholic church was for the chop once the war was over don't you, Himmler was public with his hatred of 'the black crows' and private with his plans for them for fear the army would stop fighting and as for cozying up to fascism, what would you expect, when people spoke out they either disappeared or communities as a whole faced reprisals, far better to carry out your activities without fan fare because you can be sure the authorities knew what was going on, as Pius said what's worse than 6 million dead Jews, 6,600,000 dead Jews.

Earl of Bronze 03-04-2010 21:46
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34993923)
Religious primacy pfft, you do know that the organised Catholic church was for the chop once the war was over don't you, Himmler was public with his hatred of 'the black crows' and private with his plans for them for fear the army would stop fighting and as for cozying up to fascism, what would you expect, when people spoke out they either disappeared or communities as a whole faced reprisals, far better to carry out your activities without fan fare because you can be sure the authorities knew what was going on, as Pius said what's worse than 6 million dead Jews, 6,600,000 dead Jews.
Yes, I am well aware that the leadership of Nazi Germany had plans to dismantle the Roman Catholic Church after they had won the war.... The only problem with that little plan. Once Hitler decided not to invade Britain, and turned east in his "Crusade" against the godless slavic hordes, he set the conditions for eventual defeat....

danielf 13-04-2010 15:49
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Oh dear. You couldn't make it up. Can these people be more out of touch?

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The Holy See’s second-highest prelate after the Pope has blamed homosexuals for the paedophile crisis.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican’s Secretary of State, said that the child rape scandal that is threatening the moral authority of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide is linked to homosexuality and not celibacy among priests.

Other Vatican clerics have sought to deflect criticism from the Catholic hierarchy by blaming the media, and one retired bishop was even reported earlier this week to have blamed the Jews.

Cardinal Bertone made the comments during a news conference on Monday in Chile, where one of the church’s highest-profile paedophile cases involves a priest having sex with young girls.

Cardinal Bertone said: “Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and paedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and paedophilia. That is true. That is the problem.” Cardinal Bertone also said that the church had never impeded investigations of paedophilia by priests.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7096149.ece

RizzyKing 13-04-2010 21:20
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I would love to say i am shocked by that ignorant and completely unsupported claptrap but i am not in fact it seems the norm for the catholic church to find someone or something to blame it's problems on. I have always found it a little disturbing for the people i know locally that the priest gives advice on family matters an issue he can have no real comprehension of without having a family himself.

Celebacy is very very outdated and needs to be seriously re-examind by the catholic church even more in the light of this scandal but i doubt they have the courage to do anything more then try and deflect rather then fundamentally alter anything within the church.

Earl of Bronze 14-04-2010 01:47
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Yesterday there were unconfirmed reports that a retired bishop, Giacomo Babini of Grosseto, had said that a “Zionist attack” was behind the criticism of the Pope, that Jews were the Church’s “natural enemies” and that “deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are deicides [God killers]”.

Mgr Babini was quoted as having told an Italian Catholic website that Hitler had exploited German anger over the “excesses” of German Jews, who in the 1930s had “throttled” the German economy.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....

Yet again the ingrained mental illness of antisemitism rears its ugly head within Christianity ! :LOL:

RizzyKing 14-04-2010 14:58
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Someone in the catholic church needs to go round quick and collect up all the metophorical spades so that the hole they are in gets no deeper. As if having people think of the institution as being riddled with paedophiles isn't bad enough they are now going on the attack targetting it seems any group they think they can lay some blame at pathetic.

Earl of Bronze 14-04-2010 20:01
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35001125)
Someone in the catholic church needs to go round quick and collect up all the metophorical spades so that the hole they are in gets no deeper. As if having people think of the institution as being riddled with paedophiles isn't bad enough they are now going on the attack targetting it seems any group they think they can lay some blame at pathetic.
Noooooo !

Let them keep digging, another couple of months and we'll be able to drop St Paul in along with the rest of the deluded fools ! :D

Russ 14-04-2010 20:35
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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 35000896)
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....

Yet again the ingrained mental illness of antisemitism rears its ugly head within Catholicism ! :LOL:
There you go, now your post is right :angel:

martyh 19-04-2010 20:17
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interesting statement from the pope

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The Vatican said: "He prayed with them and assured them that the Church is doing, and will continue to do, all in its power to investigate allegations."
It said this was "to bring to justice those responsible for abuse and to implement effective measures designed to safeguard young people in the future".
lets hope he follows through with this statement otherwise it's meaningless
who's justice does he mean anyway the churches or the law of the land?

link

TheDaddy 20-04-2010 08:02
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35004511)
interesting statement from the pope



lets hope he follows through with this statement otherwise it's meaningless
who's justice does he mean anyway the churches or the law of the land?

link
Nice link Martyh :erm:

In answer to your question, looks like the law of the land

The statement was one of the clearest yet from the Vatican that it wants local bishops to cooperate with civil authorities in prosecuting priests who abused children.

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-91387519.html


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