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Taf 11-01-2010 13:42
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
It's just another way to describe what's actually happening to our country...

nomadking 11-01-2010 13:48
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34942948)
the only difference is asylum seekers are legal
I agree that we let too many in this country and yes illegals should be deported quickly ,but living in tents? bread and water? anyone with that attitude should be made to go and live like that for a week .It does nothing to solve these problems when people are prepared to treat other unfortunate people like animals
I think you will find that asylum seekers are just illegal immigrants that have been found out. This is an island, and as such, the place prior to their entry into this country was probably safe.

Just because one area of a country is dangerous, doesn't mean that the whole of that country is unsafe. After all, there are areas in this country that are dangerous. Does that mean we can claim asylum in another country?

martyh 11-01-2010 13:58
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 34942958)
It's just another way to describe what's actually happening to our country...

what utter rubbish ,i would agree that we have let the immigration issue get out of control and this country cannot support any more but inevitably there will be illegal immigrants from a variety of countries but to deny them basic human rights makes you and anyone else who thinks the same ...yes i'll say it ..a Nazi for wont of a better word

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34942959)
I think you will find that asylum seekers are just illegal immigrants that have been found out. This is an island, and as such, the place prior to their entry into this country was probably safe.

Just because one area of a country is dangerous, doesn't mean that the whole of that country is unsafe. After all, there are areas in this country that are dangerous. Does that mean we can claim asylum in another country?
i think you need to buy a dictionary

Asylum seekers are people who try to gain entry by claiming asylum ,a perfectly legal process to help people whose life is in danger in their own country
Illegal immigrant is someone who tries to cross a border without going through border controll
yes some illegal immigrants will try to claim asylum and if they are allowed to then they are no longer illegal

nomadking 11-01-2010 14:08
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So which country that borders the UK is dangerous? Are people getting on planes to this country whilst they are under gunfire?

martyh 11-01-2010 14:13
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34942970)
So which country that borders the UK is dangerous? Are people getting on planes to this country whilst they are under gunfire?
yes i know the system has been abused and our governments have allowed it to be abused but we still get plenty of true asylum seekers as do other european countries

it should also be pointed out that asylum seekers are not obliged to go to the nearest safe country they will always go to a country that they already have links with

RizzyKing 11-01-2010 14:23
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All we have to do is enforce the geneva protocols on such issue's that clearly state everyone has a right to flee violence and persecution within whatever country BUT must take refuge\asylum in the first UN designated safe nation they come too. Therefore unless they arive in the UK on a boat from outside the european union or on a plane they should not be here.

It isn't a question of human rights it is a question of what is right and while i would happily agree to the UK contributing to a fund to help those fleeing violence\persecution and maybe even taking a quota of such people we should not be the final destination for the majority nor should we ever be the biggest contributor to any such fund.

End of the day hammering some poor sod that got out of whereever when he\she come's to the UK is petty and pointless because he\she is only doing what any of us would do if we found ourselves in some of the situations many of these people are in. We can be humane and compassinate without being mugs and that is the balance that any future government must get right, because we are only an island with limited space\resources and simply cannot continue as we are.

martyh 11-01-2010 14:36
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34942980)
All we have to do is enforce the geneva protocols on such issue's that clearly state everyone has a right to flee violence and persecution within whatever country BUT must take refuge\asylum in the first UN designated safe nation they come too. Therefore unless they arive in the UK on a boat from outside the european union or on a plane they should not be here.

It isn't a question of human rights it is a question of what is right and while i would happily agree to the UK contributing to a fund to help those fleeing violence\persecution and maybe even taking a quota of such people we should not be the final destination for the majority nor should we ever be the biggest contributor to any such fund.

End of the day hammering some poor sod that got out of whereever when he\she come's to the UK is petty and pointless because he\she is only doing what any of us would do if we found ourselves in some of the situations many of these people are in. We can be humane and compassinate without being mugs and that is the balance that any future government must get right, because we are only an island with limited space\resources and simply cannot continue as we are.

yep totally agree Rizzy:tu::tu:

SMG 11-01-2010 14:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34942980)
All we have to do is enforce the geneva protocols on such issue's that clearly state everyone has a right to flee violence and persecution within whatever country BUT must take refuge\asylum in the first UN designated safe nation they come too. Therefore unless they arive in the UK on a boat from outside the european union or on a plane they should not be here.

It isn't a question of human rights it is a question of what is right and while i would happily agree to the UK contributing to a fund to help those fleeing violence\persecution and maybe even taking a quota of such people we should not be the final destination for the majority nor should we ever be the biggest contributor to any such fund.

End of the day hammering some poor sod that got out of whereever when he\she come's to the UK is petty and pointless because he\she is only doing what any of us would do if we found ourselves in some of the situations many of these people are in. We can be humane and compassinate without being mugs and that is the balance that any future government must get right, because we are only an island with limited space\resources and simply cannot continue as we are.

Excellent post.

Russ 11-01-2010 14:59
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
This is all very well but the OP was posting about respecting the rights of Italian immigrants.

Gary L 11-01-2010 16:00
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34943008)
This is all very well but the OP was posting about respecting the rights of Italian immigrants.
God, I hate Italians.

NoKnowledge 11-01-2010 16:04
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34943048)
God, I hate Italians.
Why?

Gary L 11-01-2010 16:08
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
All that mama mia stuff and the kissing the fingers thing.

Hugh 11-01-2010 16:16
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34943052)
All that mama mia stuff and the kissing the fingers thing.
You may be confusing them with Abba.....

Taf 11-01-2010 16:36
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34942980)
All we have to do is enforce the geneva protocols on such issue's that clearly state everyone has a right to flee violence and persecution within whatever country BUT must take refuge\asylum in the first UN designated safe nation they come too. Therefore unless they arive in the UK on a boat from outside the european union or on a plane they should not be here.

It isn't a question of human rights it is a question of what is right and while i would happily agree to the UK contributing to a fund to help those fleeing violence\persecution and maybe even taking a quota of such people we should not be the final destination for the majority nor should we ever be the biggest contributor to any such fund.

End of the day hammering some poor sod that got out of whereever when he\she come's to the UK is petty and pointless because he\she is only doing what any of us would do if we found ourselves in some of the situations many of these people are in. We can be humane and compassinate without being mugs and that is the balance that any future government must get right, because we are only an island with limited space\resources and simply cannot continue as we are.
Well said

martyh 11-01-2010 17:20
Re: "Rights" of illegal immigrants?
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 34943073)
Well said
so you don't want to lock them up on bread and water anymore?


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