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Stuart 07-10-2008 13:22
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34649147)
The same way as they police mobile phone usage....
So, not at all then...

zing_deleted 07-10-2008 13:23
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34649190)
And how would you enforce such a ban?
IMO there should not be a need for a ban like this or even a discussion on the matter because in an ideal world people would realise the score and take responsibility for it and not wish to put their loved ones at risk. I think it is the epitome of our crumbling society that in such an advanced state of technology and intelligence that people are so tied up in what they want to do they can not accept that they are putting others health and worse the ones that are closed to them at risk willingly

Stuart 07-10-2008 13:23
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Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34649194)
Smoking kills smokers, but does passive smoking actually kill? I am not disputing that it could exacerbate the conditions of people with breathing related problems like asthma, but has passive smoking ever been noted on a death certificate, even as a contributory factor?
Fairly certain I was told by a doctor years ago that the biggest cause of cancer is genetic.

zing_deleted 07-10-2008 13:25
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Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34649194)
Smoking kills smokers, but does passive smoking actually kill? I am not disputing that it could exacerbate the conditions of people with breathing related problems like asthma, but has passive smoking ever been noted on a death certificate, even as a contributory factor?
is that not bad enough??

You are not saying its ok because all it does is worsens ashma or creates none life threatening problems???

"its ok to smoke over my baby because all it does is make her cough"

Stuart 07-10-2008 13:25
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Originally Posted by David F (Post 34649197)
IMO there should not be a need for a ban like this or even a discussion on the matter because in an ideal world people would realise the score and take responsibility for it and not wish to put their loved ones at risk. I think it is the epitome of our crumbling society that in such an advanced state of technology and intelligence that people are so tied up in what they want to do they can not accept that they are putting others health and worse the ones that are closed to them at risk willingly
The same could be said for car drivers (fumes from exhausts have been linked to various respiritory problems including Asthma). Especially those with large engined cars..

Chicken 07-10-2008 13:26
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Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34649163)
Working on that principle, so should eating whilst driving :shrug:
.. and listening to the radio and talking to your passengers? Both of which could be classed as distractions. :dozey:

:rolleyes:

zing_deleted 07-10-2008 13:27
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34649198)
Fairly certain I was told by a doctor years ago that the biggest cause of cancer is genetic.

IIRC you have to have genetic capability of catching cancer to get cancer however emphysema diabetes and various other diseases that smoking can contribute to are not ;)

---------- Post added at 12:27 ---------- Previous post was at 12:26 ----------

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34649200)
The same could be said for car drivers (fumes from exhausts have been linked to various respiritory problems including Asthma). Especially those with large engined cars..
Again I agree Stuart but this thread is not about that

I am all for protecting the innocents especially children no matter

Stuart 07-10-2008 13:27
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Originally Posted by David F (Post 34649199)
is that not bad enough??

You are not saying its ok because all it does is worsens ashma or creates none life threatening problems???

"its ok to smoke over my baby because all it does is make her cough"
I don't believe he is saying whether he thinks it's OK or not, I think he is just asking whether it has been proved that passive smoking has ever contributed to a death.

zing_deleted 07-10-2008 13:28
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I know but there are worse things than death. A lifetime of illness and suffering for a start

My extended point on this is if a parent or guardian is willing to smoke in car with a child then chances are they smoke in the home with them also so that is a lot of time closely exposed to passive smoking.IMO a responsible person would not even dream of doing this. So why do some parents do it?

I would like to hear reasons off anyone who will actually admit smoking around their kids

freezin 07-10-2008 13:32
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Originally Posted by David F (Post 34649199)
is that not bad enough??

You are not saying its ok because all it does is worsens ashma or creates none life threatening problems???

"its ok to smoke over my baby because all it does is make her cough"
I answered a poster who said smoking "kills innocent people". You're right, I did NOT say it's "ok because all it does is worsens ashma or creates none life threatening problems".

Nugget 07-10-2008 13:35
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Originally Posted by Chicken (Post 34649201)
.. and listening to the radio and talking to your passengers? Both of which could be classed as distractions. :dozey:

:rolleyes:
Which is rather the point I was making :)

Maggy 07-10-2008 13:39
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34649142)
Well the nanny state prospers only because they are selective in what they hit at any one time and at the minute it is smoking and all those who hate smoking are jumping in with their support. Sadly they don't realise sooner or later it will be something they enjoy that is facing the chop and then they will expect support to save their preferred thing. What goes round comes around and those foaming at the mouth to have smoking banned will suffer later on. Also i never cease to be amazed at all the people that moan about how high tax is and then say they want a total ban on smoking 5p income tax rise anyone ??.
Pretty much sums up how I feel about it..:clap:


and David, the teachers and pupils situation..one of these days your daughter will be 16-18 and in full time education of some sort...

zing_deleted 07-10-2008 13:40
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and neither of which have anything to do with smoking while driving

Nugget 07-10-2008 13:41
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Originally Posted by David F (Post 34649205)
<snip>I would like to hear reasons off anyone who will actually admit smoking around their kids
I'll admit to having smoked in the car when Little Nug's been in it - on each of the 3 or 4 occasions, it's been when we've been stuck in a traffic jam on a motorway, several miles from either a slip road or a service station. On each of those occasions, I've had the window open and, as it happens, he's been asleep.

I'm don't particularly want to get into a big argument about the whole thing but, as a smoker, having sat in the car for an hour and not moved (or, at least, only moved about a mile), I'm not going to apologise for doing it. Day-to-day, I don't smoke in front of him - I smoke outside when I'm at home, and it's even rare that I'll have a cigarette when we're just out walking with him. Imo, the 3 or 4 occasions when I have done it have been no worse than, as I said earlier, walking past the smokers outside a pub :shrug:

zing_deleted 07-10-2008 13:42
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Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34649215)
I'll admit to having smoked in the car when Little Nug's been in it - on each of the 3 or 4 occasions, it's been when we've been stuck in a traffic jam on a motorway, several miles from either a slip road or a service station. On each of those occasions, I've had the window open and, as it happens, he's been asleep.

I'm don't particularly want to get into a big argument about the whole thing but, as a smoker, having sat in the car for an hour and not moved (or, at least, only moved about a mile), I'm not going to apologise for doing it. Day-to-day, I don't smoke in front of him - I smoke outside when I'm at home, and it's even rare that I'll have a cigarette when we're just out walking with him. Imo, the 3 or 4 occasions when I have done it have been no worse than, as I said earlier, walking past the smokers outside a pub :shrug:
why dont you smoke around him day to day?


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