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Another nail in the coffin for VM hopefully. I forsee Be getting a lot of new customers soon. :D
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Feck, if you throttle newsgroup and p2p ports, then what exactly can you downloadload at 20mbit? Or is that the point, they don't want you to use it. As I have said before I am going to wait till 50mbit comes out and see what happens after that. As for saying that the average user doesn't know about this site and is more likely to use Facebook et al. Why not create a anti stm/phorm/throttling Virgin Media group in Facebook. This way you might significantly raise the profile of what they are doing and at the same time put the 'the average user' in touch with what is happening, also if a lot of people register to it that will create public pressure on VM, it would not cost anything and would be free so there is nothing lost in doing it.
I have created an Anti Phorm/STM/Throttling group in Facebook. If you want to join it then here is the link to the group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=63826810720 |
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Well the big problem is that VM can arbitrarily decide what constitutes "heavy" use as they see fit and may arbitrarily apply Class of Service on whatever type of traffic they see fit (potentially to the detriment of their paying customers), just as they have varied the limits of STM and reserve the right to continue to do so.
Unfortunately the more switched on customers who decide that enough is enough and leave will no doubt be replaced by the unsuspecting people who make a grab for the dangling carrot of 50Mbit, which sounds great on paper. |
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Given the country of origin for this DPI equipment, I do wonder whether these devices were made just for traffic management or something altogether more sinster.
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What is the point of moving to (A)DSL when the max I can expect is 1.9mb as I am too far from the exchange. WHEN they have all of this going live, as I said earlier, not only will I cancel all of our virgin "services" but I will leave the net for good, I do not see the point in paying virgin to rip me off, not when I can pop into the library and use the net for free for as long as I want (business opening hours of course) if I wanted to, I could wait outside for them to open, and not leave until they close at night, and with a mate living within spitting distance of it, I could even go round their house and use the free internet, not to mention all of my friends that also have wireless, I'm sure they wouldnt mind me sitting in theirs using their connection, but thats beside the point! This is all I am going to say on the matter as I dont want to get in an arguement, there's enough of that in the world already! |
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Is it legal to use DPI on SSL encryption?
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VM AND BT both have Allot (or similar) installed within their network edge at the pops, I am not sure about other ISP's. |
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They can't 'break' SSL but can certainly monitor the endpoints and implement a policy based on that. If someone has 10 SSL connections to news-europe.giganews.com it doesn't take a huge amount of thinking or analysis to guess what the traffic is. |
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If this is about QOS and NOT capping download rates for certain services, I think it would be a good thing. By definition, low latency applications (gamming, VOIP etc) require significantly less bandwidth than your blunt force multiple stream P2P/Newsgroup feed, so prioritising this traffic should not adversely affect download rates imo.
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I think VM are playing with fire
Maybe with all of this coming in VM might offer a "app throttling/STM free" service for a few pounds extra |
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It would depend on what they would do to achieve what they believe to be a quality of service with regards to throttling SSL connections. For example if they took an SSL connection download going at full pelt 20mbit, then throttled it down to say 15mbit perhaps this might not upset most folk. If on the other hand they throttle it from the full 20mbit to 0.5mbit then that really would be taking the micky.
All ISPs have limitations to what they can deliver, so using throttling to gaurntee quality of service isn't intrinsicly bad. The problem arises when an ISP like Virgin Media don't maintain the basic level of service to their customers, then use traffic management and throttling to offset the costs that are needed to maintain a basic level of service. |
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Virgin Media rubbishes P2P throttling rumours
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