Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

If I was gay (good as you) and had her as my MP I would have steam venting from my head! :mad:

If the title of this thread is true then counselling could turn me Gay.

How did this woman became an MP? :td:

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

It's N.Ireland we have far to many muppet MPs. MP over here should be changed to Muppet Person for that lot :)

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

Without wanting to start anything that will get me flamed I think whilst she is using it for the wrong reasons there is something in what she is saying.

If the natural order of things is that the opposite sex get together for 'hows your father' in order to have off spring.

There has to be something that changes somewhere in the make-up of a person that makes them desire their own sex, somewhere there has to a very basic part of them that is still working as they still have sexual urges.

What I'm trying to say is there will be a gay bloke and and a straight bloke but between these extremes there has to many in the middle and for those people counselling may be able to get to the bottom of which way they truly feel. I'm betting that some guys have a few odd thoughts about other guys and then this escalates into them believing they are gay and going with the flow and at some stage they will start to play down any urges for women.

And again without trying to be flamed just running with a thought. If the natural order of things is same sex there has to be something that makes it that way. If a person is gay then there has to me some change from the norm either physically (DNA) or mentally. In which case it is possible to change a gay person into a straight person. (whether we are capable or morally justified is another topic of debate).

I sometimes feel that this sort of debate doesn't get the proper attention in the crazy pc world we live in now as there will always be people like the bnp that would latch onto it and try use it to justify their ludicrous behavior.

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

And this is wrong *how*?

I don't understand this comment at all. What's PC about one of our elected representatives being a homophobic bigot? Please explain?

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

Going back to the original post I suppose I'd better tell my GF that I can be cured then kick her out of the house.....

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Oh...It's her house!!!

Kymmy

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So the thousands of creatures and plants on this planet that can reproduce asexually are against the rules of nature???


Kymmy ;)

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

Perhaps I should not have entered into this discussion I was just trying to add a different perspective.

@ Kymmy - Humans do not reproduce asexually ;)

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Unfortunately there is only one perspective that carries any weight in todays society, and thats the perspective of the alleged minority who all to often portray themselves as a victimised community in general. There is also only one perspective once certain people have developed their mind set.

The reality is in this case as in many others the shoe is perhaps on the other foot and it is the majority being victimised in more ways than one by the minority, and sometimes the methods of victimisation used is perhaps some of the worst to such an extent most civil human beings would not wish it upon their worst enemies.

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Of course you can allways trust the bbc to be absolutely unbias in such matters.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...cle3782984.ece


Talk about lets twist a story round to suit an agenda, she should sue the bbc for gross misrepresentation.

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

Surely alienating gays will just encourage this? Since anyone to thought he was gay would then be less encouraged to "return"

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

As you never mentioned that you were talking purely about people I presumed that your "against natural order" comment was aimed at all life in general of which humans are part of.

Kymmy ;)

PS...I'm a great believer that everyone in the world is different, everyone has a view and everyone can be both right and wrong in everyone elses eyes....

In the end laws, rules, etiquette, social norms is only a majority thought and not a unaminous decision.

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

Well apart from the afore mentioned 'muppet MP's' who allegedly are still human anyway the entire thread to the post you originally quoted refers to nothing but humanity of differeng opinion regarding sexual orientation, yours were the first to try to bring into the equation any correlation to other beings of any description.

I will just let others derrive their own conclusions at why one should try to take advantage of a situation and contort the context of anothers post simply because they lacked a certain specific term of referal within the contents of their chosen words when it would be obvious to most what was actually being refered to.

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

Kymmy I take exception to your statement: Men!! what do they know?? We know how to poke fires with big sticks to name but one thing. :p:

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So for stating a simple fact based on that sexual reproduction doesn't always mean that there always has to be opposite members of sex (this is also now thanks to science true for humans) I get slated...

Nice way to show tolerance for other views :) ;) :p:

Kymmy

PS @ Goldoni :) You'll see that my "Men!! what do they know??" is actually a question and not a statement ;) :p:

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

Sex is (when done properly) enjoyable, doing things you enjoy is natural, whether that's sex with men, women, or both.
Sex is not just for reproduction, if it was we'd only do it when the "season" was right, and it wouldn't need to be as enjoyable.
If that were the case, then there may be an argument for "hetrosexual copulation is the natural way" but as it clearly isn't the case, the only thing that can be said to be natural is that sex should be enjoyable.

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So, let me get this right, if we can't see any bias it's because our mind set has become fixed? And you, obviously, have such an open mind on the subject that only you can see we have been brain-washed.

Hard argument to counter.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it appears that you are as familiar with logical thinking as a rainbow trout is with knitting (imho). ;)

Re: Gays can healed through counselling
 

If you like that one foreverwar this one will blow your mind, post 45.:nutter:


http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...on-page-5.html