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I have a question that I would like someone to ask the Phorm people at the meeting on Tuesday, as I can't attend.

I don't think that compiling our list of questions on this forum is a good idea; it gives Phorm an unfair advantage, as they can pre-prepare responses to all of our concerns , while we have no such access to their preparation process in return. (Just look at how often one of their droids is seen lurking here!)

So if I PM them, would anyone who is attending consider asking my question please?

Apologies for the cloak-and-dagger stuff, but I don't think we should give Phorm an unfair advantage...

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Link please? I think people have been trying to extract the details of these 'polls' for some time, and I've yet to see any response from Phorm or the ISPs.

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I don't have any details on the poll, just that BT/Phorm keep saying that their customers told them they want this. I'm surprised that no-one who was part of that poll has actually come forward detailing the questions they were asked.

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Thank you for the informative reply in which you have made the clear statement that 80/20 Thinking is indeed being paid by Phorm.

I fully understand that as a commercial organisation, your Company exists to make money and I am in no way questioning the integrity of the process but I think its funding is relevant to the way the process is perceived.

The PIA would appear on the face of it to be 'compliance with due process'. Phorm will contend voluntary self-assessment and transparency and 80/20 Thinking is managing that process whilst on the payroll.

With respect, Tuesday's meeting looks more and more like a carefully planned PR exercise under the guise of openness. A 2 hour meeting in London is not a representative forum of the views of millions of people and for that reason, the meeting itself is of no consequence.

The illegal interception of thousands of users data will however have consequences and I presume the PIA will address the facts known from BT's admission?

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If this is the case, then how can a 2000 participant poll by BT be construed as an accurate representation? Furthermore, what were the questions asked by BT in the poll? It would seem obvious that the questions would be tainted to give answers in favour of the system; a common method employed by polls run by parties with a commercial interest.

Had the poll laid out the facts with regards to law and privacy concerns I am sure the results would have been considerably different.

Alexander Hanff

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I think the nature of the poles (wording, results, information presented to promote an informed answer) should be released by all concerned.
If this information is not released, it is safe to say it is highly biased and contained leading questions. As a result, any mention of them should be soundly rejected on these grounds as not being truly representative. Could this be raised at the meeting?

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a few more comments on this are appearing here in reference to our CF thread...
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolo...acetoface.html
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Gnasherx

Comment No. 1047102
April 13 21:16

Comment No. 1046731:

"My job is simply to assess the facts of the case. You will not like some of our conclusions but you will embrace others."

You haven't completed the process yet. Do you know what the conclusions will be?"

;) i guess that this ongoing CF interaction is the better option for clarity...

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i just noticed that the ElReg thread have only just updated my pointer to this thread....

if your late to the party, theres been a lot of text since then, so you might want to start here
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...-page-204.html to catch up on the other thread....

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From the 80/20 website about tomorrow's meeting:

As Rolf Harris might say "Can you see what it is yet?". There's no such thing as bad publicity.

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well if thats true, it goes for both partys involved....

a professionally filmed meeting is all well and good, but if its not used and streamed in realtime as was requested and required for us the individual stakeholders not able to attend this meeting, then can you confirm we will also have a realtime stream of some quality at the event today?

and have the URLs and related information posted here before the event begins?

the professionally filmed footage might be good for placing on the HD Vuse network OC if its not edited out the best bits......later.

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I would just like to update this thread and announce I have been invited to attend the meeting as a guest speaker as a representative of the general public.

Alexander Hanff

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theres a good chance you might be interviewed by C4 news then Alexander....

make a potential list of points you might want to put across and assume a 30 second spot to be sure if thats the case.

if theres opportunity in that timeline, then it might be punchy to say something along the lines of the countrys MPs, Queens Council and even TV presenters private net communications could potentially be intercepted if they are using the 3 UKs ISPs for their office and or home net connection.

that 'the UK professions Effected by Net Interception' point might get the headlines far more than joe blogs and it also happens to be true with 70% plus of the UK ISP users effected by ISP/Phorm Deep Packet Interception.

remember VM carry a LOT of the council/courts/Professional cable BB network, and BT the rest....

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its a pitty we dont have a Cable forum/BadPhorm banner backdrop for any TV interviews too, anyone made one for a quick A3 printer/plotter output

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Well done!.

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stuart #3391 ? regarding getting the PIA user side attendee No's up.

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I don't have time.