Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34510238)

Anyhoo, we seemed to have wandered from the OP about a political party using the circumstances, image, and tragedy suffered by a family without asking their permission, into a discussion about how evil Asians are, and what misery they are bringing on this country - how did that happen? :dozey:
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34510238)

Anyhoo, we seemed to have wandered from the OP about a political party using the circumstances, image, and tragedy suffered by a family without asking their permission, into a discussion about how evil Asians are, and what misery they are bringing on this country - how did that happen? :dozey:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/03/28.jpg

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34504037)

BBC

"Parents of a heroin addict are to take legal action against the British National Party (BNP) for using a picture of their dead daughter.

Rachel Whitear, 21, was found dead at her flat in Exmouth, Devon, in May 2000, holding a capped syringe.

The photograph, released by her Herefordshire parents to educate people on drugs, was used by Lancashire BNP members on a leaflet.

The BNP's deputy leader said they would not apologise.

The leaflets, which were circulated in Preston, linked heroin use to Muslim communities"

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34510238)

Anyhoo, we seemed to have wandered from the OP about a political party using the circumstances, image, and tragedy suffered by a family without asking their permission, into a discussion about how evil Asians are, and what misery they are bringing on this country - how did that happen? :dozey:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/03/28.jpg

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34510684)

Well, they are your words not mine.

It is of course common sense to suggest that someone with ties in a country will have a head start. If I was going to set up a drug smuggling operation, the first port of call would be to find a local dodgy contact with an in-depth knowledge of a country where the drugs are easily available.

Using someone with family in that country is onbviously an advantage for cover. As there doesn't appear to be many people emigrating to these known drug countries from the UK, it would be unlikely to work the other way around.

If we were talking about European drug smuggling I would think it less likely to be family related and possibly tourist related, but lets be fair not many UK residents go on package trips to pop over to Afghnistan or Pakistan for a holiday, or do they.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34510738)

Sorry but at the end of the day, even if the picture was in the "Public Domain" good taste and decency would dictate that you ask the next of kin to use the picture.

Sadly BNP wouldn't know what these are even if thet where the side of the lorry in flashing lights about to run them over.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34504172)

Well thats the level of dimwitted politics the BNP represent.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34510696)

:erm:
You seemed to have missed my point (once again) - please see the OP (reproduced above).

The family tragedy involved was that of a British family, and the point was that their tragedy was being milked by a political party without permission or discussion - my point (above) was that once more a thread was transformed into "lets bash other races/ethnicities, and make them the scapegoats for all bad things that are happening" thread, and my words were intended to reflect the direction the thread had taken, not my beliefs (but hey, let's not let things like facts stop the fomenting of discord, huh?).

I love the statement "it is of course common sense" - it is up there with "I am sure you will agree" and "we all think" - people sometimes forget their definition of "common sense" is often neither common or sense (imho).

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34512250)

... this surely means these countries are without doubt the source of the problem.....

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34512259)

No, the source of the problem is demand. Not supply.

If all poppy fields in Afghanistan were destroyed tonight, do you really think the drug problem in Britain would come to an end?

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34512292)

...Hard drugs have never been so cheap, this is due to supply and demand. ....

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34512292)

No, the drug problem would not come to an end. The problem would not be as widespread though if these countries had been stopped from cultivating it in the beggining.

Hard drugs have never been so cheap, this is due to supply and demand. The vast amount of drugs produced by these countries have made the price affordable.

I was never offered hard drugs when I was younger, and I believe this was due to cost, in the past 12 months I have been offered hard drugs 'To try' on more than one occassion. I believe this is due to the fact that they are cheap enough to offer around to others like people do with fags.

The 14% if true means there are probably about 4.5 million people in Afghanistan alone involved in drug cultivation and trafficking, I dont know if they are counting the Pakistanis that are coming over the border for the poppy fields now the majority of Taliban have been killed.

If you speak to soldiers coming back from a tour in Afghanistan my experience is that they say that now they are fighting Pakistanis and many are coming over the border for the drugs.

Of course this may be fact but it is far easier to brush it aside as a racist comment.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34512347)

I don't brush it aside as a racist comment (I see you are using the old pre-emptive strike of "reverse racism" card again - one of your favourites, isn't it? ;) ) - very pleased to see the qualification of may in your post - it also may not be fact, but it is unlikely, given your post history, that you would promote that premise.

btw, how could the soldiers tell the difference between the Pakistanis and the Afghanis? I was out with my nephew and his mates last week (who had recently been in Afghanistan with the RHF) and they didn't mention Pakistanis at all, when asked who they were up against; they just classed them all as Terry Taliban.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34512292)

...snippy snip...

If you speak to soldiers coming back from a tour in Afghanistan my experience is that they say that now they are fighting Pakistanis and many are coming over the border for the drugs.

Of course this may be fact but it is far easier to brush it aside as a racist comment.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34512454)

I hear that the number we have killed are probably ten times more than the original Taliban numbers. The majority we are now fighting come over the border from Pakistan, these are either Afghans who have been hiding in Pakistan or of Pakistan origin. I understand that tribes have split throughout the ages and some live in Pakistan and some in Afghanistan, so they are closely connected.

I am told their are regular battles that sometimes result in tens or hundreds coming across the border. These are usually drug high and brainwashed with little chance of inflicting any harm, and we are having to use large calibre weapons to stop them.

Wherever they originate from is not important but they come across the border from the Pakistani and thir government and forces are doing little more than offering a token gesture to tackle these people in their country.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34512473)

.... So why is it important what race the smugglers are?