Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34331228)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6766003.stm

Something the Daily Mail and others should take on board. Instead they choose to run

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34331303)

for every report saying they are usefull there will be reports saying they aren't.. whatever view you have you can always put spin on these and if you want the anti immigration people can just choose to ignore these pro reports anyway

i was saying to someone the other day that if they all went "back to where they came from" as alot want I don't think I would be able to get into work. I know my office wouldn't be clean as we would have no cleaners.. plus alot of other jobs.. alot of nurses as from other countries as they would be missed plus the hundreds of other useful jobs they do too..

i've met more work shy, chavs, jobs from the UK than I have immigrants

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34331324)

I've had a cursory glance as well, but what they are actually saying is that population growth in general tends to help the economy by creating more demand (page 10; the baby boom example is quite interesting). It also says that, because migrants tend to be young adults, they are less likely to use public services (i.e. they have already been educated), which plays a large part in them being net contributors). (page 19). Page 18 also gives data on net contributions during 2003/2004 (when on average more was taken out than was paid in, but this was particularly true of the natives)

Edit: figured out how to copy from that article

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 34331851)

Interesting points about the education, what they forget to realise is immigrants are having more children per women then non immigrant women at current so of course in years to come there will be a future impact on the education system. no forward thinking in that report if thats how they concluded.

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34332022)

me283, sorry, I mean JackB,

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34332022)

Lets not forget, I know some people would like to, that children born to immigrants will grow up learning English and so won't have a problem at school.
Sorry, was that too obvious?

me283, sorry, I mean JackB, so easy to get you two mixed up, your son said he hadn't learnt much at school because the teacher was dealing with other kids?
Hell, that's school for you.
I didn't learn much in some lessons because of the less intelligent kids.
Thankfully, we had things called school books, which we were supposed to learn from, rather than being dictated to by a teacher and just regurgitate things parrot fashion, but hey, maybe your school doesn't do that.
What did the head teacher say when you discussed it with them?

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 34331851)

Damien you come across as a bit gullible reading stories like this as gospel, 1.5million workers probably means 1.5million legit tax paying workers so will exclude all the illegal working immigrants and of course when they talk about the public services costs it probably excludes the costs of providing public services to non working immigrants and asylum seekers.

The fact they are saying it has little impact on wages is it no surprise that areas that have a high immigrant population also have the lowest wage levels in the country.

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Of course you not wrong, but where I disagree with you is you taking extremist views, are you saying there is only two options in that we either send every immigrant back and completely close the borders or we carry on having an open immigration policy, why not just limit immigration and make people claim asylum before they enter the uk?

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Interesting points about the education, what they forget to realise is immigrants are having more children per women then non immigrant women at current so of course in years to come there will be a future impact on the education system. no forward thinking in that report if thats how they concluded.

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 34332039)

h

That has to be one of the most contentious posts I've read.
You can bury your head in the sand as much as you like, but the fact remains there are to many immigrants/asylum seekers in our country, and its causing bad feeling among even the most placid of English

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34332042)

So because people are resentful towards foreigners, that's the foreigners fault?
Do you also believe that Islamists complaining about Rushdie getting a Knighthood are justified?
Or do you think that their resentment is their own responsibility?

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 34332057)

???
There are too many foreigners, period.
They are affecting the English way of life, is that the foreigners fault?? hell yes, and the wish washy Govts fault too.

As for Salmon Rushdie, he wrote a book ffs, so what?? Plenty books have been written about the Catholic Church, any death threats from the Pope?? thought not!

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 34332057)

???
There are too many foreigners, period.
They are affecting the English way of life, is that the foreigners fault?? hell yes, and the wish washy Govts fault too.

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34332073)

And the English are affecting the Welsh way of life too, is that your fault?

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 34332082)

If I was affecting your way off life, yes it would be, but I'm not, I dont live in Wales.. Your point is?

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 34332082)

Dont you have your own assembly?? We the English dont