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me283 15-04-2005 09:47
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me283, this is off topic, but you seem to know an awful lot about prisons (pretty sure I've seen you compare them to holiday camps before). Do you actually have any experience of them (visiting, or talking to people that have experienced prison), or are you basing your opinion on what the media say? As I have said, I know someone who did do time, and he paints a different picture of prison life.
No, it wasn't me that compared them to holiday camps. But my knowledge of them is definitely not based on what tthe press say. Whilst I don't see them as "Butlins with bars", I also don't see them as quite the punitive measures that they really ought to be. As for the exact details of my knowledge of prisons, I would prefer to keep that under wraps!

Stuart 15-04-2005 10:19
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Originally Posted by me283
No, it wasn't me that compared them to holiday camps. But my knowledge of them is definitely not based on what tthe press say. Whilst I don't see them as "Butlins with bars", I also don't see them as quite the punitive measures that they really ought to be. As for the exact details of my knowledge of prisons, I would prefer to keep that under wraps!

Fair enough..

cookie_365 15-04-2005 18:20
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Whereas, were he to be sat on Death Row now, those youngsters might not be so keen to take his place...
That is just so, so, wrong.

There'd be a hundred of them vowing to avenge his 'martyrdom' (or something spelt in a similar way ;) )

me283 15-04-2005 18:36
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That is just so, so, wrong.

There'd be a hundred of them vowing to avenge his 'martyrdom' (or something spelt in a similar way ;) )
He is still a martyr to them now; only difference is, he has some kind of future to look forward to. The death penalty would de-glamourise his martyrdom.

Graham 15-04-2005 18:45
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He is still a martyr to them now; only difference is, he has some kind of future to look forward to. The death penalty would de-glamourise his martyrdom.
Generally the definining characteristic of a martyr is them being *DEAD*!!!

Him not being dead is a bit of a downer, more muppet than martyr :D

cookie_365 15-04-2005 20:20
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He is still a martyr to them now; only difference is, he has some kind of future to look forward to. The death penalty would de-glamourise his martyrdom.
I disagree, but that's an aside. The real reason why we shouldn't have the death penalty is this:

Killing people is wrong.

me283 15-04-2005 20:30
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He will be hero-worshipped, perhaps I should have said that?
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I disagree, but that's an aside. The real reason why we shouldn't have the death penalty is this:

Killing people is wrong.
He obviously didn't think so, and he intended to do it on a mass scale. For people like that, execution is justified, in my opinion. Or would you have spared the likes of Hitler, Pol Pot, Amin, given the chance to pass sentence on them?

allieyoung666 15-04-2005 20:37
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He will be hero-worshipped, perhaps I should have said that?
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He obviously didn't think so, and he intended to do it on a mass scale. For people like that, execution is justified, in my opinion. Or would you have spared the likes of Hitler, Pol Pot, Amin, given the chance to pass sentence on them?
In his own country he will be worshiped, but not here. Why on earth dont they jus deport him, another expense to the great british public

punky 15-04-2005 20:46
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Killing people is wrong.
Bit simplistic isn't it?

cookie_365 15-04-2005 21:01
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Originally Posted by me283
He will be hero-worshipped, perhaps I should have said that?
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He obviously didn't think so, and he intended to do it on a mass scale. For people like that, execution is justified, in my opinion. Or would you have spared the likes of Hitler, Pol Pot, Amin, given the chance to pass sentence on them?
Yes
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Bit simplistic isn't it?
Yes

punky 15-04-2005 21:07
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Yes
No I meant you are putting it too simplistically. You can't seriously be telling me that murder is never justified?

homealone 15-04-2005 21:17
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No I meant you are putting it too simplistically. You can't seriously be telling me that murder is never justified?
funny as it sounds, if everybody didn't kill each other, that question need not be asked ;)

cookie_365 15-04-2005 22:01
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No I meant you are putting it too simplistically. You can't seriously be telling me that murder is never justified?
Yes

me283 15-04-2005 22:53
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Yes
I see. Can you imagine if everyone felt the same as you do? We would all be speaking German now... those that survived. And they would be blonde haired and blue eyed.
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In his own country he will be worshiped, but not here. Why on earth dont they jus deport him, another expense to the great british public
Because deporting him would upset the PC brigade. They would argue that if he were repatriated he would face torture (not sure why), or even worse. Far better that he stay in a country where the people provide for him; people that he wanted to maim or kill...

Graham 16-04-2005 00:25
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Originally Posted by cookie_365
Yes
I see. Can you imagine if everyone felt the same as you do? We would all be speaking German now... those that survived. And they would be blonde haired and blue eyed.
Oh gods, can we *PLEASE* not do this bloody discussion *again*?

If you want to make comments like this, do it in a different thread.


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