Originally Posted by BBKing

That Nelson Mandela never gets off his arse, does he?

Remove the word 'black' from the whole palaver and it comes down to a rich middle aged man complaining about what a let down the Youth of Today are. This has been said by every older generation about every younger generation since Before the Dawna Time.

As for language, the great thing about English is that it's constantly evolving (as opposed to, say, French). There's nothing better or worse about black street slang than any other English dialect. It's not the words you use so much as what you're saying with them, and there are plenty of interesting things being said.

Rap and hip-hop have a bad reputation because people can easily pick out parts of songs that glorify violence, drugs, guns, money, objectify women or use bad language, and miss the bits that say 'stand up for yourself', 'get an education', 'respect people'. This is demonisation and close to outright racism.

You don't, unless you're Mary Whitehouse or mad (same thing, really) condemn rock and roll on the basis of lines like:

'Out of the doorway/The bullets rip/Another one bites the dust'
'The squirminââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ dog whoââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s just had her day/Under my thumb/A girl who has just changed her ways'
'Clearly I remember pickinââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ on the boy/Seemed a harmless little f!ck'
'Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream'
''Who the f!ck do you think you are/Get out of my hair/who the f!ck do you think you are/Comin' round here'
'So you can make me *** that doesn't make you Jesus'
'C!ck-sucker Tammy get your mother f!ckin' dammy/We're goin' downtown to the C!ck-Suckers' Ball/F!ck, suck an' fight/'Till beginnin' of the broad daylight'

Polo mint to first person to name the song and writers...

Originally Posted by BBKing

The songwriter or my arguments?

Originally Posted by Russ D

But what about in the world of sport, especially boxing and long-distance running, where the best of the best usually turn out to be black?

Originally Posted by neel2k

Good point, I can only name 3 Joe Mesi and the Klitschko brothers.
So do you think that Black people have an advantage in boxing because they are black? What differences make them superior?

Originally Posted by neel2k

Regarding education, I feel that teachers think that Black students are not too smart and therefore they do not try as much with black students as with other students. And instead of helping black students in academic subjects they are encouraged in PE.

Originally Posted by neel2k

So do you think that Black people have an advantage in boxing because they are black? What differences make them superior?

Originally Posted by homealone

first can I say Kip Keino was 'the man' :tu:

I think this may have been done before in regard to swimming ?

allegedly the average black man has a higher density body, due to more muscle, less fat & a higher bone mass, than the 'average' white man - much better for boxing ? :)

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Not true in MY case I can assure you.It was a pretty sweeping thing to say in my opinion.

Originally Posted by neel2k

Yea, the average West African (including african americans and caribbeans) have less body fat, higher centre of gravity, narrower hips, higher levels of testosterone and more fast-twitch muscle than white people or east-africans, Which would be useful in boxing, but I still think that its more a matter of training and maybe the black dominance of boxing is because more black young people get into boxing than white people.

Originally Posted by BBKing

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downquark1 - it's sort of a trick question, but I did say 'rock and roll' ;)