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kronas 22-05-2004 01:42
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeybreath
:Yikes: extremely busy channel! I can honestly say i have never seen a channel with more than about 250 users on!!
i have. although its rare utilisation is a better measurement.

Richard M 22-05-2004 02:40
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icanadvise
its a bit of a shame that this forum doesn't have any contacts with the senior internet team
We still have contacts. ;)
And now, we know who we can trust...

etccarmageddon 22-05-2004 08:47
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
I doubt the upload will be increased because it's the headline rate (ie. download speed) which is used to sell the product by the marketting team.

and remember the only reason the download speeds increased was cos TW forced the issue - so unless TW make a big announcement that their upload speeds are going up, dont expect anything from NTL.


http://www.blueyonder.co.uk/blueyond...formation_faqs

"The upstream speed will remain at the current levels - 128kbps for the 512k (750k) service, and 256kbps for the 1Mb and 2Mb (1.5Mb and 3Mb) services."

Stop It 22-05-2004 18:20
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
ask bbking, i remember him talking about how its not as simple as rolling it out when 1meg was going to be launched, it takes alot more then 'upping' the speeds.......

i just cant see it happening, unless they did change docsis, and if NTL did not upgrade docsis then made the stupid move of upping it to 400k expect a mass influx of new complaints about degraded service....

remember each upload channel is small 2-4mbit i cant remember the exact figure but it is between those two, have about 300-400 users (busy channel)

now you have 6-8 customers on 1meg and on 600k taking in to account constant uploaders and peak time usage its chaos if it was 400k.
400 users on each upload channel? blimey, thats a bit high, Ive tested mine a few times using docsdiag, and theres 6 upload chans on the server, each with around 100, apart from channel 6 (one i'm on) which has 80, which seems pretty low by the looks of it, so Gwan ntl, chuck meh upload up, wont harm you, much, :angel:

Defiant 22-05-2004 18:51
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pem
BTW - what makes you think NTL have no money to spend on upgrades Kronas - did it occur to you that this might be why they are waiting before rolling out the speed changes - because they are upgrading stuff to cope better ?
Yep it wouldn't make bussiness sense for them not to put any money back into the network. But then again sense and NTL :erm:

Chrysalis 22-05-2004 19:34
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
I very much doubt the upload rates will be increased, cable suffers horridly from upload congestion and I am sure ntl dont want gamers on their back moaning about poor pings.

baldy 22-05-2004 20:01
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Upload speeds will not be changing, it would be suicide :shocked: with the current docsis implementation and network infrastructure. It also costs more in transit charges. The downstream channel can be cached locally to some degree.

As for 300 - 400 users per channel, I've seen a few. Most of them have been at the top of the upgrade plans thankfully ;)

kronas 22-05-2004 20:48
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by baldy
As for 300 - 400 users per channel, I've seen a few. Most of them have been at the top of the upgrade plans thankfully ;)
most are at 100-200 on average..........

Ignition 23-05-2004 23:22
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
You guys are completely forgetting that STBs in ex-C+W areas use the same uBRs that cable modems do, and that all STBs connect to uBRs whether they have a broadband service or not - those quoting 100 - 200 are really discussing the Langley areas, it's perfectly possible to get 4-500 users on a single upstream with no issues.

Ah something else - EuroDOCSIS does not include any facilities for higher upstream that aren't in American DOCSIS, the only difference in terms of bandwidth offered out of the box is the bigger downstream :)

BBKing 25-05-2004 14:26
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Spot on n00b.

ED gives you ~25% greater downstream

Doubling the upstream bandwidth capacity by using wider channels, er, increases the upstream capacity and decreases the likelihood of congestion. Doesn't require any DOCSIS changes, does require a good HFC area. Being rolled out now (in fact a large chunk of the network is done).

I've seen 700+ devices on an upstream, mostly STBs. That area's been resegmented and upstream doubled since then (first area in fact).

Upstream is remaining the same, only downstream's getting the % free upgrade.

etccarmageddon 25-05-2004 15:46
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BBKing
Upstream is remaining the same, only downstream's getting the % free upgrade.
everyone take note - forget your rumours etc, if BB says it aint going up then it aint going up.

Daniel davies 27-05-2004 18:33
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
If the upload doesn't increase, bye bye NTL.


fed up with the crap upload for £38.00 quid.

Tezcatlipoca 27-05-2004 18:40
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
You won't get a higher upload with ADSL, though. Although you will get the same upload for less money.

:notopic:

btw, I see you're in Surrey.... have a look at this thread about wireless BB (with a decent upload).... you might be lucky & be in an area which is covered...http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=12829

Paul 27-05-2004 18:57
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel davies
If the upload doesn't increase, bye bye NTL.


fed up with the crap upload for £38.00 quid.
and where will you go for a higher upload speed ?

Bill C 27-05-2004 19:05
Re: rumour of upload speed increase for 1Mb service - 256k to 400k
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pem
and where will you go for a higher upload speed ?


:) you beat me to it :)


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